one day, Alfred, one day...
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 July 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
shakey he married a younger woman who was formerly his researcher.
his first wife, a gentile, also changed HER FIRST NAME to Sarah when they married.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 July 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
what the fuck
― flappy bird, Friday, 7 July 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdC8ngXkAAyQ8J.jpg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link
You know, I had JUST decided not to click on that column.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link
lol
today's David Brooks column is worth reading pic.twitter.com/6UbURCmVAc— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) July 11, 2017
― nxd, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link
I think this friend of his just hated Italians but Brooks's larger point still stands: inequality creates culture fissures and resentments
― Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link
'instinctively, i led her into a gourmet sandwich shop / i don't know why but I had to start it somewhere'
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Typical Brooks nonsense, but I'm surprised there are so many presumably sensible people in the twitterverse who are equally baffled by Italian cold cuts.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
Sure, but this idea that "cultural" inequality is the true source of these issues and not the cost and access issues he passingly cites is back-asswards. (That seems to be the implication in the excerpts I've seen, anyway, not giving that shit a click)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
Totally.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
so many presumably sensible people in the twitterverse who are equally baffled by Italian cold cuts.
really?!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 14:53 (seven years ago) link
i don't know what any of those things are (except pomodoro). that's not what's bad about the column.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
at least he did some shoe leather reporting on this one. He could have just written about the scene in the Wire where the kids go to a fancy restaurant.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
u guys keep getting my hopes up
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
David Brooks: This sandwich has lettuce. It's leaves you can eat.Idiot friend (went to non-Ivy League college): ME NO EAT LEAF! NO LETTRUS!— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) July 11, 2017
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
Typical Brooks nonsense, but I'm surprised there are so many presumably sensible people in the twitterverse who are equally baffled by Italian cold cuts.― Moodles, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Moodles, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm... confused... then again this is why they keep him on, he's eminently hateable
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
Ime if you don't live somewhere with a heritage of Italian immigration you won't know what those things are. Maybe salami. Maybe not.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
exactly^^ brooks conflates regional differences w/class distinctions
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link
but he assumes a lot, i mean tastes change. my non-elite midwestern relatives eat sushi now.
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Any actual Italian neighborhood would blow his mind apparently. Which is insane.
xp yes of course. Same here. :)
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
hey i never ate anything other than iceberg lettuce until college where was this funky GREEN STUFF (romaine) on the salad bar, google caesar chavez/lettuce boycott for details
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
also it's obvious that this "friend" does not exist
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
composite of the many people who didn't attend college he's lunched with over the years
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
then why wasn't the meat bologna
― j., Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
When yours truly, the urbane, worldly Alabamian, and my buddy from the Detroit burbs who was fluent in Japanese, took our no-college-degree having asses to the Okonomiyaki joint in San Francisco that was called Okonomiyaki, and we had a bunch of our no-college-degree having fellow enlisted folks with us, we would help explain the menu items to them, so that nobody got any jump scares from the bonito flakes or the tempura veggies. The point being if you are "friends" with a person then they should trust you to explain stuff to them without being a condescending shit, regardless of your class backgrounds or height or hairstyle or what ever the fuck, and you should be happy to help explain to them what the words in the foreign language are. Also, if you are "friends," then you might have an inkling of what they like to eat and which menu items would be good analogs to their favorite foods.
David Brooks has no friends, which is why his last column was about bailing, and this one is about taking his gardener out for lunch.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
i do have a university degree but it's not in gabagool. like many people i have eaten in an italian deli, which is not a sign of class - italian deli sandwiches are often hearty and affordable. though I'm sure not in the bougie place brooks frequents.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
but like also all those things are just fucking ham
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
Tooth bomb.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
Haha
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
lost Morrissey lyric
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
I want to eat with the common people
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
Trump: This Russia thing is busting wide open. What can possibly distract from it?Bannon: (Pause) I have an idea. Get me David Brooks....— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) July 11, 2017
If I did a Patreon campaign to raise money for David Brooks fan fiction, would you support?— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) July 11, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
loathe to credit matty glesias but this does look like the place brooks was talking about
I think the infamous sandwich summit took place at Radici on Capitol Hill. pic.twitter.com/fhlYs1YGaV— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 11, 2017
it's also a really bad menu and having to untangle what different sandwiches are, when the descriptions are _bad_, when you're already having to deal with eating lunch with david brooks is a bit much. don't think that has anything to do with education level
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
It’s not really the prices that ensure 80 percent of your co-shoppers at Whole Foods are, comfortingly, also college grads; it’s the cultural codes.
For real tho, it's the prices.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
prices + locations imo
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
No kidding. My sister-in-law recommended some random bullshit chicken salad at Whole Foods to us because she was trying to seduce us into the paleo lifestyle; it was bland as fuck and cost $18/lb. I have refused to set foot in one in the intervening 2.5 years.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
(Here you can glimpse the Brooks imagination at work, visualizing people without college degrees wandering scared and confused through the aisles of Whole Foods, gaping at exotic items like peanut butter and apple butter and butter.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure I'm biased because I'm Italian, but that Yglesias post is exactly what I was talking about. That menu just reads like a bunch standard Italian sandwich stuff and it describes the sandwiches fairly clearly, but I guess people freeze in terror when confronted with scary Italian words? Did the Mexican restaurant they went to use words like tacos, tortillas, queso, etc.? Is there a difference I'm missing? Both cuisines have been a part of US culture for a long time.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
parentheticals on menus should be a strict no-no, that's practically the blink tag of menu UX
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
My own personal bias is that you should shop at Whole Foods because my sis works at an SF location, so please give her money, even if indirectly. (That said, I don't shop at one myself; I am a horrible person.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
I think the difference is that the proliferation of different Italian coldcuts wasn't really a thing until about 5 years ago, and even then it started mostly in gourmet delis. I have incredibly bourgie, clued-in friends and I didn't start hearing about "soppressata" as a specific type of coldcut until mmmmmaybe 2010?
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
(Meanwhile, when I was in college in the early 90s, queso dip was becoming A Thing, so that's now been in the public consciousness as a default consumption choice for 25+ years.)
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
imo it's a difference in menu appearance and presentation, it reminds me of of a few french-style bakeries I've been to.
the format of having a menu item name in bold (or just numbered) followed by the prime ingredients, maybe not all ingredients, is the standard in every chain and a lot of smaller shops that are seen as class-neutral or lower middle class, whatever
the ingredient laundry list thing is the format a bakery here uses for their sandwiches/salads and I've been tripped up because I default to "I'll have the roast beef sandwich" could mean two different things because the one I didn't notice had roast beef listed third
tbh I've had sandwiches with all those italian meats at less classy joints and you just say "I'll take a number five" or whatever because the ordering system is made for convenience and not presentation
it's not the meat and cheese names tripping up people, or if it is, it's not the stumbling block
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
sometimes you just want a hot meal on a plate and not an overpriced sandwich, too
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
is that a metaphor for Bannon
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure I'm biased because I'm Italian, but that Yglesias post is exactly what I was talking about. That menu just reads like a bunch standard Italian sandwich stuff
Yesssssssss if u are ITALIAN or are accustomed to an area with Italian immigrant influence over the historical cuisine. Particularly outside of cities/the East Coast, that leaves out a lot of places, a whole bunch of which were like reverse-introduced to perfectly normal sandwich meats as gourmet items that are expensive and not locally available.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Exactly what Dan said, basically.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
I would almost bet David Brooks has no friend and he's extrapolating his own confusion into a fictional colleague so as to not admit he has no idea what those meats are
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
Perhaps he was writing a column about his impending vegetarianism and was confused.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link