Trump, July 2017: Tweet more

Trump Jr. is practically George 'I cannot tell a lie' Washington imo. A true patriot.

^I love that he made an extra tweet because the really incriminating bit didn't fit on the first one.

― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:53 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you do have to appreciate his commitment to transparency

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:55 PM

"Now, I'm going to lay out a case for how the prosecution should proceed in a court of law when they press charges..."

"Here is page 4 (which did not post due to space constraints) my strategy of hoping-against-hope that somehow a magic fairy will swoop in and make it all stop"

maybe he posted the first batch, paused, had second thoughts, called his reasonable-facsimile-of-the-best people on the phone, reached only voicemail, drummed his fingers on the table for a minute and then went "nahhhh i was probably right the first time" and posted the rest

nope, he posted the first batch at 11:00 and the remaining image at 11:01. he was very prepared to post the entire thing as quickly as possible! lol

Raises the idea that Trump Jr was trying to collude with someone less powerful and connected than he imagined them to be.

― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:56 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IIRC, the predators still go to jail even after Chris Hansen reveals that the girl was actually a 21-year-old actress the whole time.

A round of applause for the dominatrix who clearly told Donald Trump Jr. to release proof of Russian collusion to prove what a loser he is.

— Kaleb Horton (@kalebhorton) July 11, 2017

Statement from @VPPressSec on Donald Trump Jr meeting and @VP's knowledge pic.twitter.com/iYiyoWfHRx

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) July 11, 2017

Xps Oh, sure. Nobody is disputing that. It's just even more funny if he was being played by a near-nobody.

Family full of AJ Soprano's upthread so OTM

Weird move for Trump Jr to post these emails himself. I guess he thinks this makes them seem less incriminating?

i guess he thought that the NYT was going to publish them at some point anyway, so why not get out ahead of the news and...incriminate himself?

the russian lawyer's given an interview where she says she was approached for the meeting rather than the other way around.

“They wanted it so badly.” Russian lawyer tells NBC about efforts by Don Jr., Jared and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. pic.twitter.com/pgwQV8G3FK

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) July 11, 2017

Deathbed musing for Trump kids: was it somehow nobler to be bad at being bad?

I would actually bet a small amount of money that, at some point in the future, Junior still manage to somehow deny the existence of these emails he has scanned and tweeted.

so the NYT definitely were about to publish these emails, right

that's the only way this makes sense

It's not that the emails weren't scanned and tweeted but that something something Loretta Lynch

He doesn't seem to have his father's talent for getting away with things.

"After being told that The Times was about to publish the content of the emails, instead of responding to a request for comment, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out images of them himself on Tuesday."

from the times article

this will only become truly fun when
a) trump, still in office as POTUS, pardons his son and others
b) pence, after trump's premature exit from office, pardons the trump family
c) the winner of the 2018 election, whether dem or republican, pardons the trump family

So this is actually against the law and not just frowned upon, right? It's illegal for campaigns to accept contributions from foreign entities and this includes resources -- such as information -- in addition to money, right?

xpost That'll show them. Only Don Jr. brings down Don Jr.!

not pardoning is not an option, because as tom brokaw has painstakingly reminded us, repeatedly, america needed to heal after nixon and ford's pardon was the only possible option

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=299219&d=1320033757

It's illegal for campaigns to accept contributions from foreign entities and this includes resources -- such as information -- in addition to money, right?

as of yet there's no evidence that they actually received any information

it's also illegal to solicit contributions/information

the quality of the information they received doesn't matter

this will only become truly fun when
a) trump, still in office as POTUS, pardons his son and others

seems unlikely that any trial would conclude while Trump is still in office but idk

how do you not just let the NYT publish the story and then claim the story was fake like you always do

Quite remarkable how much all of this, at every level, orbits the 2013 Miss Universe pageant.

it's also illegal to solicit contributions/information

not exactly:

First, a reframing of the way we think of collusion. Collusion actually is a political term; there's no line in the criminal code that says you go to jail for colluding with a foreign adversary.

But you can go to jail for conspiring with a foreign adversary to influence or undermine an election, and Jacobovitz thinks what Trump Jr. did, as documented by emails he himself shared on Twitter, could rise to that level.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-may-have-just-crossed-the-legal-line-on-collusion/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fix-930am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6f7997994209

I mean, Don Jr would have to be some kind of a total moron to not think of that

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

hmm, pre-emptive pardons are possible, wtf: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/07/preemptive_presidential_pardons.html

I think we're just splitting hairs on legal language

xp

as of yet there's no evidence that they actually received any information

nope, trump jr revealed that as well.

The next day, after The Times informed him that it was preparing an article that would say that the meeting also involved a discussion about potentially compromising material on Mrs. Clinton, he issued another statement: “I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to attend, but told them nothing of the substance,” he said. “After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html

maybe it's different statutes in the two articles? i can't read the WaPo piece xp

"can the President pardon himself" is a question we may unfortunately be faced with

I think Don Jr. might be pardoning in his pants right now.

Honestly, thing about the pardon speculation is that it doesn't fit. The whole idea in Trumpland is to always attack and everything, yes? Pardons would be a massive concession and admission.

xpost
i guess there's also the "No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. " part of his explanation.

but how many "statements" could she make saying that she HAD information while still revealing absolutely zero information?

i can't read the WaPo piece xp

use incognito mode on Chrome or the equivalent on other browsers

relevant

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93740

Honestly, thing about the pardon speculation is that it doesn't fit. The whole idea in Trumpland is to always attack and everything, yes? Pardons would be a massive concession and admission.

i'd agree except that another part of Trumpland is to exploit every option that's legally provided, and then shrug and tell supporters "it's not dumb, it's smart" or whatever as an explanation.

Observed elsewhere: given all that is already in the public record, imagine what Mueller et al. have seen that we haven't.

yeah that's what the vox piece was saying too xxp

One of the very few times I've ever seen Trump drop the mask and give this chagrinned "ok, fine, guilty as charged" face was in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc

xxpost Yes, that suddenly dawned on me while discussing this with my gf last night. We only know what's been leaked to the media (or scanned and tweeted)!!!

I voted for @POTUS last Nov. & want him & USA to succeed, but that meeting, given that email chain just released, is a big no-no.

— Lee Zeldin (@leezeldin) July 11, 2017

Naughty Trump! Don't make me get the spray bottle!