Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit
lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship
pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.
Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.
http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:59 (six years ago) link
There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:34 (six years ago) link
I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.
― jmm, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 05:59 (six years ago) link
I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:50 (six years ago) link
i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:56 (six years ago) link
Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:59 (six years ago) link
Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:02 (six years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-21q65Zr2qSs/Tq7usF5wGJI/AAAAAAAACT4/5AmDwPDb1t8/s1600/From+Dusk+Till+Dawn+1+10.jpg
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:03 (six years ago) link
He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:04 (six years ago) link
Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg
There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:10 (six years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKLqK4avrRM/UQQi1YXP2tI/AAAAAAAAIJU/RGUv1uRFsRI/s1600/tumblr_mekw0vEht01qdxpbvo1_500.jpg
― mark s, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:21 (six years ago) link
http://iowa.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-11-at-9.50.24-AM.png
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)
That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
they should adopt from "On His Own Words":
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg
there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?— NOT RECONCILED (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:18 (six years ago) link
LOLLLLLLL
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:
Cochise • 11 hours agoPresumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
that was my first thought
― korla pundit (crüt), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
Oliver Stone should have tried this in the 90s. get some of that Doors vibe in there
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
Excellent, a pregnant woman stabbed to death, and her blood being used to write "PIG" on the front door. Bit of Dusty Springfield over it. 👍 pic.twitter.com/caGENMlYhQ— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) July 12, 2017
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
i can't believe they are going to make a movie about a murder. what a time to be alive.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
I'm curious here...have you always been this blase about everything or what.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker.
I still don't know if that would add anything: what you're describing has kinda been the narrative since Didion at least, and late 60's a much more well-trodden period than OJ's 90's.
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.
This is almost a best case scenario for me. I'll take a cowering Manson getting his comeuppance over yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy, which is what it'll probably turn out like.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
yes for year and people keep bringing it up like it is a new observation.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
for years rather
yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy
you know he wasn't the only person involved. he wasn't even there for the famous murders. there is a whole cult full of people and personalities.
of course don't let that stop you from judging a movie that hasn't been made yet.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
Oliver Stone made a fucking 9/11 movie five years after the fact. What's the damage here? I understand people not being excited about broken record QT making this, but why the indignation over making a movie about a very famous murder that happened nearly 50 years ago?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
World Trade Center and United 93 are so much more contemptible and offensive than anything QT has done.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
agree xpost
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
I am still something of a Tarantino believer sigh - and think there is the possibility of a good film from this. I like the wayward nature of his filmography - he hasn't just ground out endless variations of Pulp Fiction, he made two period Westerns in a row etc - and this seems to me an unexpected and interesting choice. His first foray into non-fiction - it could be his Zodiac.
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
Martha Marcy May Marlene was the perfect pseudo-Manson movie imo. Maintained just the right tone without veering into exploitation. I guess it's pretty much a guarantee that Tarantino will maniacally whip the wheel directly towards exploitation, which is what gives me pause here (given certain details mentioned above).
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
v highly doubt this will be as good a Zodiac
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
this could suck, it could be great idk his last two films don't inspire confidence though
(xposts) Ditto. Arguing how it should be made, or who should make it, that's an interesting argument. Arguing that it shouldn't be made--that no one has a right to make it because the events were too traumatic--I don't get that at all.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
These murders were spectacularly exploited by the media from the first days afterward and that exploitation has never stopped. Further exploitation is simply a continuation of a well-established 50 year trend.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
that's pretty much Charlie's stance, too
― mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
yeah i don't really gaf about that
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
xp In that one regard Charlie would be correct.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I have to admit that I would be v curious to see a Dennis Wilson character in this - the Two Lane Blacktop connection might make it irresistable for QT
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
(xpost) Mountains of exploitation to be sure, but I wouldn't call the Jeff Guinn book exploitative (or, from whatever dim memory I have of it, Ed Sanders' book)--they were thoughtful attempts to try to extract some glimmer of understanding out of what happened, which is what I'd want from the thoughtful film that I think is there. Which is why, to me, Tarantino seems particularly ill-suited for this.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
Martha Marcy May Marlene was the perfect pseudo-Manson movie imo. Maintained just the right tone without veering into exploitation.
yeah but that movie is like...so good. kind of a miracle it got made at all
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
I love it! Probably among my top ten of the decade.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
Last year's Tower, about Charles Whitman's murders in 1966, might be instructive. The filmmaker's were clearly sensitive to making the film primarily about the victims, not Whitman. I think they leaned too far in that direction--I wanted to know more Whitman than they provided--but it was far from exploitative, and what happened there was arguably even more dumbfoundingly and terrifyingly random than with Manson.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
Martha Marcy May Marlene has been on my watchlist since forever, I should really get around to that
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
I was surprised to enjoy almost all of Cinema Speculations and not surprised to find Once Upon a Time in Hollywood intolerable after two chapters
― Brad C., Saturday, 20 May 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link
I agree he is often a poor writer--particularly when he's trying extra hard to play Quentin Tarantino--but Cinema Speculations is very readable because just as often he has interesting things to say.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 May 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
"dirty harry isnt well made, the director doesn't know what he's doing" is a shockingly terrible take and if it's not a knowing attempt at challops should really see repercussions like you shouldnt maybe be allowed watch things and state things afterwards about them
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 May 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
His worst take is that he doesn't rate Hitchcock but likes movies that are Hitchcockian
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 21 May 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link
tbc im not talking about a tarantino take there
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 May 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
As someone who liked this film a lot the idea that we need to be filled in on Rick dalton lore feels depressingly wrongheaded
the kayfabe on the first episode is so good that it feels like the entire series was a long game just to get them practised up to do this
― serving bundt (sic), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link
i listened to a bit of it (as i check in on the podcast here and there) and couldn't hang at all. whole enterprise is corny.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
I haven't listened to it yet, but I think it's exactly the nerdy deep dive I'm excited to hear (then again, I was also the kid dreaming up entire fake label discographies and band histories).
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link
As a creative exercise, it seems likely to be a warm-up for the next movie more than QT thinking it was time to respond to incessant public clamour for the Rick Dalton Chronicles
― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link
I’m glad Rick Dalton died. That one movie was more than enough.
― Josefa, Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:44 (one year ago) link
It appears that Leslie Van Houten may finally be paroled. She's 73 years old.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link
“closer” insofar far as being *recommended* for parole…but it’ll prob go to supreme court & long court battles blahdy blah so she is still a long way from being irl paroled
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 June 2023 01:38 (one year ago) link
Watched Hollywood again the other day for something I was doing--fourth time? I won't change or even bother checking anything I posted above, but I do find Tarantino's deep attachment to pre-Manson Hollywood oddly moving. I say oddly because I have no attachment to that specific moment (Matt Helm movies, TV westerns, etc.) whatsoever--to the time period, yes, but not to that corner of it. But the film does move me, even the wildly self-indulgent conceit of the ending--loved how Sebring and Tate are improbable Rick Dalton fans at the end.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 22:47 (four months ago) link
“Hey, are *you* Rick Dalton?”
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 26 January 2024 22:49 (four months ago) link
And DiCaprio plays the scene beautifully. I've been knocking him a lot recently for his Scorsese work, but I think he's really good in this.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 22:53 (four months ago) link
Fully agree, his acting is amazing throughout the film, and that final shot is one of the most haunting and beautiful things Tarantino has done.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 26 January 2024 23:05 (four months ago) link
I really do think the what-if scenario, which purports to be some kind of shallow wish fulfillment, is actually a way to really underscore the absolute abhorrence of the real life tragedy, and the magnitude of the loss.
― omar little, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:14 (four months ago) link
I kind of felt the same way about the righteous fury at the end of inglourious basterds, though i think OUATIH is definitely the better film as far as really making it something above and beyond.
― omar little, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:17 (four months ago) link
The only thing I'd still change is that Manson himself gets the flamethrower instead of whichever of the two women got it. I forget what the rationales for that were earlier in the thread, but I still don't get that at all.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:28 (four months ago) link
it’s definitely one of my favorite movies he’s ever done, maybe because he is coming from a more sentimental place & it resonates w me
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 January 2024 23:31 (four months ago) link
robbie is such a superstar in it. i dont think it works if shes not as incredible in it as she is.
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:36 (four months ago) link
i dont think theres another character or performance of that type across his entire catalogue.
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:37 (four months ago) link
yeah she’s so vibrant and joyful, definitely key to the movie & the emotional power of the endingShe does such a beautiful job of making Tate a real person, even if its only an approximation - her performance is a lovely tribute to her memory
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:57 (four months ago) link