https://www.thekindland.com/culture/did-david-lynch-rip-off-neil-young-to-create-twin-1440
Obviously a hyperbolic statement, but having never seen Human Highway I'm curious whether there are any more than superficial similaritites.
― Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 14 July 2017 08:35 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I'd like to see it but even my friends who are also big trans & devo fans don't seem to be that into it so I was never in a hurry to check it out
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 09:25 (seven years ago) link
still obsessed with 'shadow'
― nxd, Friday, 14 July 2017 10:38 (seven years ago) link
I've seen HH and uh yeah, no
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 July 2017 11:10 (seven years ago) link
Total wishful thinking from some Neil Young fan. Neil also edited down the best part of HH in the recent director's cut: the insane 9-minute jam w/ Devo on "Hey Hey My My (Into the Black)"
― Chris L, Friday, 14 July 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
My brother is a huge Neil fan, so I trust his opinion that HH is a 'Piece of Crap'.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 July 2017 12:22 (seven years ago) link
I don't know what's wrong with just saying "this reminded me of that" without making these weird claims tbh. As singular as this show is, it doesn't exist in a vacuum & is riffing on all kinds of film sub-genres. Speaking of which, I was saying a few weeks ago about watching starman & it reminding me of the mr jackpots stuff, I thought it might just be me having twin peaks on the brain but in a recent interview Kyle M said he took inspiration from Bridges's performance so that was a nice bit of vindication
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 12:44 (seven years ago) link
I kept thinking yesterday about the facial expression when he's drinking coffee, and the lip movement when he doesn't quite smack his lips really reminds me of elderly people sitting around at a retirement home
― mh, Friday, 14 July 2017 13:49 (seven years ago) link
He's doing amazing work for sure. That shot of his face as he sat in the vegas police dept was so great
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
not sure why people are thinking HBO has given one thought to TP S3 at all given that GOT is a global phenomenon (was compared to being as big as Star Wars on 'The Watch' pod the other day)
I love Bell's body language. Her walking itself has so much character
ha yeah I think she's comprised of equal parts catwalk and vamp. I found her inability to stop gyrating in place during the smoking scene hilarious
― Brakhage, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
Jumpin Joseph. pic.twitter.com/WpE6HX2OnB— frozen reeds (@frozenreeds) July 12, 2017
― Dancing on the Pylons, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
Nice! @frozenreeds is an esteemed former ilxor who I miss seeing on the classical threads, btw
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 July 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
Ha, that makes sense! Love his tweets.
― Dancing on the Pylons, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
Love seeing Bernard Shakey hanging out with Dr. Jacoby and Betty Briggs (and Cameron Crowe and Gerald Casale) tbh. Shovel yrselves out of the ditch and into the truth!http://www.trbimg.com/img-56d5c730/turbine/la-et-ms-neil-young-film-human-highway-screeni-001/950/950x534
― Dancing on the Pylons, Friday, 14 July 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
I forgot to ask earlier: was Miguel ferrer able to film all of his stuff for the season before he passed away?
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
this is good
http://filmmakermagazine.com/102922-like-sand-through-the-hourglass-twin-peaks-the-return/#.WWkeSITyuUk
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
IIRC, none of the staggeringly-large number of TP actors who've died recently died while filming was still underway. Maybe Catherine Coulson?
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
But Miguel Ferrer died fairly recently, so he was at least alive throughout filming (how well he was is a different question, I suppose).
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
this is goodhttp://filmmakermagazine.com/102922-like-sand-through-the-hourglass-twin-peaks-the-return/#.WWkeSITyuUk🕸
http://filmmakermagazine.com/102922-like-sand-through-the-hourglass-twin-peaks-the-return/#.WWkeSITyuUk🕸
Thanks for this, it is indeed
Harry Dean turned 91 today
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
will smoke a pack today in his honor
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
I think coulson died *before* principal filming started, which is why it was such a surprise when she was on the cast list. Don't think anyone died during filming - maybe the guy who plays toad
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
the log lady scenes to me feel almost like he just gave her a bunch of lines to read and then wrote the script around those lines later
― na (NA), Friday, 14 July 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
The script was apparently finished before they took it to showtime so I imagine she's reading a very pared-down version of the part they'd originally written for her & they tweaked the rest of the script appropriately
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
here's something that popped into my head today: what the hell happened to that state cop who was accompanying the buckhorn investigators? He just disappeared from the narrative entirely. I know that happens in this but unlike any of the other characters we've only seen once I can't see what function he serves if he doesn't come back - he'll have been a literally pointless character. Maybe he'll be the one to investigate the warden's death?
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 14 July 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
I also want to hear an update about the state trooper who got radiation poisoning or whatever from the garmonbozia.
― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:19 (seven years ago) link
I'm kinda feeling that we'll never get those people back and I think it's a shame. In some cases it's a hanging thread but in many others it feels like they forgot about things.
I met up with a friend, who's a massive Lynch fan, and we felt the same way: that the humour falls flat in this. I have found very little of this funny even, or especially, the things that are meant to be funny. He agreed with me also that the Dougie thing was incredibly drawn out and not funny. My objection to the Dougie thread is not that pace or the slowness but that it's not interesting, not funny and, in some sense utterly superfluous (so far! I'd love to be proven wrong)
Playing devils advocate here, I just feel like the Dougie thing is completely pointless and that's the programme would have been better without it and that a lot mor bad cooper in its place would have been better. I was just incredibly excited when KM came in as bad cooper and there's not a single thing about Dougie that interests me. My friend was raving about how good Naomi Watts was but I don't see it. I just think he fancies her (as he should) and thinks that = an amazing performance. I think her performance is shrill and lacks nuance or skill but what's she going to do with the material she has to work with?
Im still liking it, on the whole.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
To be clear, I'm deliberately hedging my bets here because I want this to become awesome but I'm also sick of people telling me how amazing this whole thing is whereas, to me it's like 25% amazing and 50% good and the rest is waste, as Mark E Smith said.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
I find the different register between nuclear explosion + aftermath and possible huge repercussions and Andy and Lucy talking about armchair colours to be not very satisfying.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:18 (seven years ago) link
Disliking the Dougie stuff is fair, honestly seems designed to frustrate and disrupt. But I guess that's part of what's appealing about it to me? It's aggressive, strange, alien and something you would never fucking see anyone else dare to do.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:35 (seven years ago) link
Also there are 9 hours left, so pretty early to complain about loose threads. Though sure, there will likely be plenty.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:39 (seven years ago) link
Jed, maybe this show isn't for you.
― Je55e, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:48 (seven years ago) link
The decision to essentially give Dougie dementia does seem arbitrary; I don't think we've ever seen anyone come out of the Black Lodge before or have it established in any way that that's what happens when you do. I'm guessing Frost helped guide that decision, considering Warren Frost's condition. I find it very moving for personal reasons, as I've said before, and I think MacLachlan's performance is brilliant. But how willing you are to accept that initial aesthetic decision probably goes a long way towards how engaged you are with the execution--for me it works because that's life with a dementia sufferer, it just goes on, drags on, in a mixture of bewilderment and frustration.
The initial reveal of Bad Coop as greasy and Bob-like was cool but the character is really thin for me, and low lifes and thugs are characters Lynch doesn't have a good feel for imo, they're generally only redeemed by the lamp karaoke, baby voices, odd technology, magic tricks etc.
― sciatica, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:48 (seven years ago) link
I was hoping for more Dougie this episode. But I was very happy with all that Tammy.
Can't remember who was unhappy with Tim Roth, but can I ask why?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:52 (seven years ago) link
Je55e, it's totally for me.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:53 (seven years ago) link
I didn't express any unhappiness with Roth but I will now. He was lame. The brief shot of the passed out (drugged? dead?) farmers and the cheeto hand off made the scene though.
― sciatica, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:55 (seven years ago) link
My friend was raving about how good Naomi Watts was but I don't see it. I just think he fancies her (as he should) and thinks that = an amazing performance.
:|
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link
Tim Roth was lame in what way?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:59 (seven years ago) link
At least give him time to be lame.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
xps yeah i feel like giving even the frustrating stuff a free pass because the whole is so good.
the comedy is landing for me, but not the super-obvious stuff (e.g. lucy & andy), more the gordon moments, tammy vamping insecurely, the black comedy that is diane
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:03 (seven years ago) link
He looked like he didn't know what to do with his body and just slouched. He didn't make any impression beyond an actor acting, for me. Would've been better to grab an interesting looking nobody off the street, as Lynch has often done in the past.
― sciatica, Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link
I honestly can't see the frustration that the Dougie storyline is unfunny. Of COURSE it's unfunny, it's a person with the outward appearance of someone we love, unable to engage with or process the interactions of everyday life, against which the flashes of personality or character evoke deep twinges of affection, and joy which is swiftly dashed when the curtain closes again. If it's funny, it's funny in the whistling-past-the-graveyard, pitch-black absurdist, Grand Guignol sense. As is all the stilted humour and human-comedy of this series. It's both deeply sad and powerfully connecting, I can't take my eyes off it.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:05 (seven years ago) link
Good post M.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:10 (seven years ago) link
I don't see how the Grand Guignol extends to Andy & Lucy, unless they're setting us up for something...
I think the show would benefit from some variation in the pace & rhythm of the dialogue, let the actors breathe a bit
― sciatica, Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:17 (seven years ago) link
I think a lot of the Dougie stuff is just straightforwardly funny.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:22 (seven years ago) link
jed_, your post seems super foreign to me because this last episode is probably the most that TP (and maybe even the entirety of Lynch's output) has made me laugh.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link
me too, it was consistently hilarious.
aimed at no one in particular: whether or not you find mr jackpots hilarious (i don't), does it matter? as matthewk said, he's not really a comedy vehicle, but people get what they get from it, opinions is opinions etc. if you laugh, you laugh. it's twin peaks.
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:11 (seven years ago) link
"It's twin peaks" otm; ppl have always struggled with this idea that a lot of what we're shown is "arbitrary" or "superfluous" - why are we seeing this thing that isn't an investigation or a criminal conspiracy or whatever when we have investigations and conspiracies to check in on? It's been a thing in this show since forever. I'd have trouble applying either of those adjectives to cooper's story tho because it feels like a lot of thought has gone into how and where he would come out and what he'd be like when he did (annie was catatonic after 1 night in the lodge, multiply that by 9125) and also because, you know, it's cooper's story. But yeah if I didn't find the vegas stuff funny or interesting (I do, a lot, obv) I'd be less keen on the show too!
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Saturday, 15 July 2017 08:19 (seven years ago) link
What if he doesn't and it's a giant tease tho, that thought keeps coming to me (esp in the shower every morning, no idea why) and it'd really piss me off. Not that there hasn't been enough to enjoy (or love, James' smile, Bobby's tears, Ben apparently becoming a good man, so many other little moments), but REALLY. It's David Lynch, last thing I trust him with is fulfilling viewers' hopes.
― albvivertine, Saturday, 15 July 2017 10:57 (seven years ago) link
I mean, what if this is it for Cooper. Kinda read yr post as "when will he come out of Dougie" not "when will he come out of the Lodge".
― albvivertine, Saturday, 15 July 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
I didn't know people were so anxious about things unfolding and becoming a disappointment, like you and Jed up here. That thought has not crossed my mind once since The Return. I'm way more in a 'sit back and enjoy the crazy ride' mode instead of fretting about how it could go haywire. I've not seen anything that indicates that this will end a disappointment tbh. And indeed, still 9 hours to go people!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 15 July 2017 11:04 (seven years ago) link