was anybody else thrown by the opening shot of the kids, with the camera following the ball? I didn't see that it was three kids playing pickle at first, thought kids were getting swapped out mid-shot somehow
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
i think i saw in the credits that one of the baseball kids had the last name "frost," presumably they are related to mark frost― na (NA), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:25 (twelve minutes ago)
― na (NA), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:25 (twelve minutes ago)
Mark Frost's son was the oldest of the kids.
― Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSGNtf45rg
preserved on youtube if anyone loves to relive trauma
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
haha, i like how that youtube still perfectly captures bobby's investigation face. time for bobby to investigate the scene. *bobby stares at stuff*
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
Can't believe people are theorizing, sometimes quipping, that Candie is Laura/a lodge spirit/on drugs/a spy/a robot/whatevs when she is that rare case of someone, be it on TV or irl, who engages with the world in a relatable and sustainable way D':
― Dancing on the Pylons, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
what is it we're not getting about insurance fraud?the two obvious cases are paying out to cover fraudulent claims, and denying claims that are legitimate
Tony (Sizemore), when called out by Cooper ("he's lying") was talking about how they needed to pay out a couple claims -- presumably they were fake and he's getting a kickback. The second part was denying the claim that the Mitchum brothers had and claiming it was arson. Presumably Tony's criminal contacts (that Duncan guy who has ordered hits) have it out for the Mitchums and wanted it denied.
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
candie. candie?
http://i.imgur.com/rZKMxMN.png
CANDIE
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
i definitely agree that she is a 'sensitive' now that we've had cooper cocks head raptly to piano tone/candie cocks head raptly to piano tone
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
Candie's empathetic yeah but I don't feel she has any connection to lodge/etc. personally.
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
candie is the greatest character in television history so she need be nothing more or less than what she already is
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
agreed
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
cosign
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
so true. i've been getting all depressed thinking about how she's so great in this and how great it would be to see her in a major role in another lynch thing down the road and then realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
this is a great interview btw, prob what wins was alluding to a few days ago
http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-amy-shiels-on-her-tragic-backstory-for-candie.html
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
I just said this like an hour ago: she is the Xander
who is the bez and who is the xander: movie dept
Wally is the Bez
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.
:-/ it's true. but at least it feels like he's using this opportunity to basically do every last thing he wants to do. it really seems like he took full advantage of the creative freedom and 18 hours of time to just do EVERYTHING
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
that is an excellent interview
air conditioners!
it's also good to hear about Sizemore doing ok, I know he's had some rough times
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
ah jeez, I just read about his recent history, it's uh... nice he was reasonable to the TP cast
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
Haha yeah I was gonna say...
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
(Thank you mh for humoring me with obv insurance explanation)
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
wasn't expecting to see a "and in 2017.." addendum there at the end :/
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
I don't really know anything about Sizemore or his issues
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
he gets messed up on any drugs he can find and hits his girlfriend, generally
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
He played an undercover cop in the film Swindle opposite Sherilyn Fenn. In 2004, he starred in Paparazzi.
In 2006, he starred in The Genius Club, playing a terrorist who taunts seven geniuses into solving the world's problems in one night.
Ah shit, poor guy
oh xp there's worse, haven't got to that bit yet
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
So Sizemore will probably go on the long list of actors whose final professional work was in a Lynch project (because he sounds basically unemployable).
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
Candie being relatable/Candie being from the Lodge aren't exclusive btw.
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
xp he has bit parts in something like a dozen movies already in post-production to come out this year or next, but they're all b-movie style productions
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
refer to my previous post about Lodge associates - they've all been linked v explicitly in this series, generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
I don't think everyone unusual has to be from the lodge (actually I kinda do think that but not in the way ppl seem to be suggesting)
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
The old waiter being a Lodge Person was exactly that kind of twist though
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
my other theory (the interview makes the whole "she's a mole in the organization" theory seem bad) is that the lodge has been subtly manipulating people, like the Belushi Mitchum having a dream about the desert scene, and their influence has a bleed-over effect. Candie, already being kind of.. absent.. is seriously getting messed up where other people brush it off
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:36 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Um, Leland Palmer.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-part-13-14-15-16-titles/
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
if they give mccain a standing ovation as he votes in favor of fucking over his country i'm going to garmonbozia all over my computer
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
It's possible, even likely, that Candie's resemblance to Dougie-Dale will be a gold shovel/Nez Perce Manufacturing-style red herring joke, but the show has established pretty well that it could go the other, more spooky, more resonant way just as easily.
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
eh idk this is kind of a different deal than in the Return, cuz in the original series the black lodge/BOB stuff was gradually filled in, so something like Leland telling the story about "Robertson" flicking matches at him as a little boy and asking if he wants to play with fire are clear alarm bells/connections, but only in the proper context. Viewers already have that context in the Return.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
idk if that makes my point clearly
whoops, wrong thread (sorta)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
Lynch &a Frost knew well before the second season that Leland was the killer and he had a connection to Bob, fire etc. They told Jennifer Lynch before she wrote her book.
I'm not sure I understand your point though. If you're not saying they made it up as they went along, then why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?
― sciatica, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?
I guess they could but it would mean that they would link a certain vacuous spaciness explicitly to the Lodge and I just don't see the point/it seems like a tenuous connection at best. Plus The Return hasn't really been so much about piecing together subtle/strange clues, most of it (fingernail/yrev bit aside and discussed earlier) has been very straightforward.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
yup, same
― Number None, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
I wish Dana Ashbrook had gotten more work over the years since TP, he's weirdly moving in this.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
So looks like I was wrong about the garage doors. There were some in the background (see here https://media.giphy.com/media/f6LrjTm5WtcvS/giphy.gif) but the ones with Jack are blue and the background appears urban.
― Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
my gif has come in
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:17 (six years ago) link
People in this thread are really emphasizing the drug use as like a major plot point, but it just seems like background color to me. I'm having a hard time seeing how, like, the Vegas junkie mom has anything to do with the larger narrative
― Evan R, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
I wasn't emphasizing it as a plot point, it's more of a broader theme (along with children, doddering old people, etc.)
it is kinda weird to me that we've been shown a lot of young-people-behaving-badly and yet there isn't a single character in the younger generation who could conceivably be called a protagonist (except maybe lol Tammy?)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure how old Tammy is supposed to be, although probably early 30s?
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
iirc Chrysta Bell is 38 or 39
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
I do think the drugs are central to the mystery. They seem to be a common link to whatever is currently afflicting the town of Twin Peaks. Red appears to be the ultimate TP drug source and he also seems to have some kind of mystical power that's perhaps tied to the evil forces Hawk spelled out on his map.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
yeah idk how old Tammy is I was just struck by the fact that all the protagonists (Hawk, Dooper, Gordon, Albert, Truman, Bobby) are old guys. in the previous series it felt like there was more of a mix between the old pros and the younger generation (James, Audrey, Bobby to a lesser extent)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link