Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

he gets messed up on any drugs he can find and hits his girlfriend, generally

He played an undercover cop in the film Swindle opposite Sherilyn Fenn. In 2004, he starred in Paparazzi.

In 2006, he starred in The Genius Club, playing a terrorist who taunts seven geniuses into solving the world's problems in one night.

Ah shit, poor guy

oh xp there's worse, haven't got to that bit yet

So Sizemore will probably go on the long list of actors whose final professional work was in a Lynch project (because he sounds basically unemployable).

Candie being relatable/Candie being from the Lodge aren't exclusive btw.

xp he has bit parts in something like a dozen movies already in post-production to come out this year or next, but they're all b-movie style productions

refer to my previous post about Lodge associates - they've all been linked v explicitly in this series, generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

I don't think everyone unusual has to be from the lodge (actually I kinda do think that but not in the way ppl seem to be suggesting)

The old waiter being a Lodge Person was exactly that kind of twist though

my other theory (the interview makes the whole "she's a mole in the organization" theory seem bad) is that the lodge has been subtly manipulating people, like the Belushi Mitchum having a dream about the desert scene, and their influence has a bleed-over effect. Candie, already being kind of.. absent.. is seriously getting messed up where other people brush it off

generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:36 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, Leland Palmer.

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-part-13-14-15-16-titles/

if they give mccain a standing ovation as he votes in favor of fucking over his country i'm going to garmonbozia all over my computer

It's possible, even likely, that Candie's resemblance to Dougie-Dale will be a gold shovel/Nez Perce Manufacturing-style red herring joke, but the show has established pretty well that it could go the other, more spooky, more resonant way just as easily.

Um, Leland Palmer.

eh idk this is kind of a different deal than in the Return, cuz in the original series the black lodge/BOB stuff was gradually filled in, so something like Leland telling the story about "Robertson" flicking matches at him as a little boy and asking if he wants to play with fire are clear alarm bells/connections, but only in the proper context. Viewers already have that context in the Return.

idk if that makes my point clearly

whoops, wrong thread (sorta)

Lynch &a Frost knew well before the second season that Leland was the killer and he had a connection to Bob, fire etc. They told Jennifer Lynch before she wrote her book.

I'm not sure I understand your point though. If you're not saying they made it up as they went along, then why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

I guess they could but it would mean that they would link a certain vacuous spaciness explicitly to the Lodge and I just don't see the point/it seems like a tenuous connection at best. Plus The Return hasn't really been so much about piecing together subtle/strange clues, most of it (fingernail/yrev bit aside and discussed earlier) has been very straightforward.

was anybody else thrown by the opening shot of the kids, with the camera following the ball? I didn't see that it was three kids playing pickle at first, thought kids were getting swapped out mid-shot somehow

yup, same

I wish Dana Ashbrook had gotten more work over the years since TP, he's weirdly moving in this.

So looks like I was wrong about the garage doors. There were some in the background (see here https://media.giphy.com/media/f6LrjTm5WtcvS/giphy.gif
) but the ones with Jack are blue and the background appears urban.

my gif has come in

People in this thread are really emphasizing the drug use as like a major plot point, but it just seems like background color to me. I'm having a hard time seeing how, like, the Vegas junkie mom has anything to do with the larger narrative

I wasn't emphasizing it as a plot point, it's more of a broader theme (along with children, doddering old people, etc.)

it is kinda weird to me that we've been shown a lot of young-people-behaving-badly and yet there isn't a single character in the younger generation who could conceivably be called a protagonist (except maybe lol Tammy?)

I'm not sure how old Tammy is supposed to be, although probably early 30s?

iirc Chrysta Bell is 38 or 39

I do think the drugs are central to the mystery. They seem to be a common link to whatever is currently afflicting the town of Twin Peaks. Red appears to be the ultimate TP drug source and he also seems to have some kind of mystical power that's perhaps tied to the evil forces Hawk spelled out on his map.

yeah idk how old Tammy is I was just struck by the fact that all the protagonists (Hawk, Dooper, Gordon, Albert, Truman, Bobby) are old guys. in the previous series it felt like there was more of a mix between the old pros and the younger generation (James, Audrey, Bobby to a lesser extent)

Yeah this is a major break from the original show, where part of the appeal was definitely high school intrigue and teenage rebels (the only times these motifs have been reintroduced in The Return it was to satirize them, a la Wally or "James has always been cool.") Makes sense that a sequel that's mostly about aging and loss and the passage of time wouldn't try to shoehorn in a new cast of cool kids just for the hell of it, but it would have been interesting to see at least a subplot or two from the perspective of Amanda Seyfried

One of the problems with Richard Horne, for instance, is that he exists almost completely independent of everybody else on the show. He appears from time to time and does something awful or terrorizes somebody, but we haven't seen him share more than one scene with any other reoccurring character. Given the importance he apparently is going to play, it might have been interesting to at least see how he fits into the fabric of the town, and how people who aren't being assaulted by him (presumably there must be some) view him and interact with him

my gif has come in

i made one way upthread but i was kinda drunk and i made it way too small

Just seen this. Fuck. AND read three bazillion replies on here. FUCK.

Hawk, can yu hear me?
Yes Margaret.
Hawk, can you HEAR me?
Yes Margaret.

This broke my heart.

Didn't seem like he knew who or where he was yet, but he clearly turned a corner. First time speaking his own words; regained normal motor function, regained his old spark and started acting like his old self. Seemed like the big awakening scene we've been waiting seven episodes for

― Evan R, Monday, July 24, 2017 3:02 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did not get the feeling of awakening *at all*. I don't understand why so many ppl on here are going on about this. He was his usual Dougie: completely steered and driven by others, repeating some phrases etc. I saw not an iota of awakening in any sense.

Most shocking thing in this episode was that terrible version of Viva Las Vegas

― na (NA), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jeez Louise, aint that the truth. That was terrible.

Shelly on the car omg

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:22 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And a ~red shoe~ flying through the air as she was blown off the hood!

for some reason the honking was even more disturbing to me, or at least just as much. it was all disturbing. i don't know why i had it turned up on the headphones. O_O

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 24, 2017 5:10 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hell yes, this was sooooo disturbing. Pressed all my wrong buttons and the honking just wouldn't *stop*. Traumatic.

wouldn't try to shoehorn in a new cast of cool kids just for the hell of it

the funny thing is that judging from the cast list when it was released one could reasonably have assumed this was going to happen, but it hasn't really worked out that way.

xp

Ok, one dumbass question: every episode Laura Palmer is in the credits. We basically only see her in the opening sequence, never anywhere else. Yet she is always in on the credit roll. Is this standard practise or another hint?

laura appears in disguise in every episode. i'm fairly certain she's driving the vw bus.

heh I was about to mention the mystery of Carl's driver

Can't tell if you are kidding or not wmlynch :-/

But if this is so, why is this not a huuuge talking point?

because it's a minor credit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHGeg_0Rlo

haha sorry.

Nae mind, I'm having a grand old time :)

The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.

Sound design, yet again, on this is consistently amazing.

Isn't Laura's face in the opening credits?

no it tim the toolman

Yes she's in the opening credits, a still image, but it feels like too much on the nose to list her in the ending credits just because she's in the opening credits?

I'm with Evan on the drug use. Side effects occur with drugs LET ALONE "super-drugs" - things like Sky's rash don't seem relevant to me at all

If anything they just hint that TP's darkness is still there with the drug trade etc.

LBI, they may be legally obligated to list her in the credits because they use her image.

the theme of the show is "who killed laura palmer?" so the actress portraying laura palmer is a permanent fixture, whether she appears in the episode or not

I think the closest Dougie/Cooper has come to original dialogue, if you discount the Jade line which he originally echoed but repeated again later, is "He's lying" which was prompted by a little glow but seemed like a deduction

I know we're all in denial and hoping we heard more but as far as I heard he was echoing the Mitchum brothers about cherry pie in this episode, even if he did so because it reminded him of something

lilliard gave me echoes of

http://www.cultjer.com/img/video/trance_redbtrailer_hd.jpg

hah

I mean it's exactly like the poor couple who were killed outside the box in Manhattan, the head mutilation. And a reminder of the weird fingers grasping the skull of the dirty bearded men in the atomic bomb episode. So maybe we have a tie between those two things.. and the creature there had a weird head that looked like the playing card/Hawk's map figure.