Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

my gif has come in

People in this thread are really emphasizing the drug use as like a major plot point, but it just seems like background color to me. I'm having a hard time seeing how, like, the Vegas junkie mom has anything to do with the larger narrative

I wasn't emphasizing it as a plot point, it's more of a broader theme (along with children, doddering old people, etc.)

it is kinda weird to me that we've been shown a lot of young-people-behaving-badly and yet there isn't a single character in the younger generation who could conceivably be called a protagonist (except maybe lol Tammy?)

I'm not sure how old Tammy is supposed to be, although probably early 30s?

iirc Chrysta Bell is 38 or 39

I do think the drugs are central to the mystery. They seem to be a common link to whatever is currently afflicting the town of Twin Peaks. Red appears to be the ultimate TP drug source and he also seems to have some kind of mystical power that's perhaps tied to the evil forces Hawk spelled out on his map.

yeah idk how old Tammy is I was just struck by the fact that all the protagonists (Hawk, Dooper, Gordon, Albert, Truman, Bobby) are old guys. in the previous series it felt like there was more of a mix between the old pros and the younger generation (James, Audrey, Bobby to a lesser extent)

Yeah this is a major break from the original show, where part of the appeal was definitely high school intrigue and teenage rebels (the only times these motifs have been reintroduced in The Return it was to satirize them, a la Wally or "James has always been cool.") Makes sense that a sequel that's mostly about aging and loss and the passage of time wouldn't try to shoehorn in a new cast of cool kids just for the hell of it, but it would have been interesting to see at least a subplot or two from the perspective of Amanda Seyfried

One of the problems with Richard Horne, for instance, is that he exists almost completely independent of everybody else on the show. He appears from time to time and does something awful or terrorizes somebody, but we haven't seen him share more than one scene with any other reoccurring character. Given the importance he apparently is going to play, it might have been interesting to at least see how he fits into the fabric of the town, and how people who aren't being assaulted by him (presumably there must be some) view him and interact with him

my gif has come in

i made one way upthread but i was kinda drunk and i made it way too small

Just seen this. Fuck. AND read three bazillion replies on here. FUCK.

Hawk, can yu hear me?
Yes Margaret.
Hawk, can you HEAR me?
Yes Margaret.

This broke my heart.

Didn't seem like he knew who or where he was yet, but he clearly turned a corner. First time speaking his own words; regained normal motor function, regained his old spark and started acting like his old self. Seemed like the big awakening scene we've been waiting seven episodes for

― Evan R, Monday, July 24, 2017 3:02 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did not get the feeling of awakening *at all*. I don't understand why so many ppl on here are going on about this. He was his usual Dougie: completely steered and driven by others, repeating some phrases etc. I saw not an iota of awakening in any sense.

Most shocking thing in this episode was that terrible version of Viva Las Vegas

― na (NA), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jeez Louise, aint that the truth. That was terrible.

Shelly on the car omg

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:22 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And a ~red shoe~ flying through the air as she was blown off the hood!

for some reason the honking was even more disturbing to me, or at least just as much. it was all disturbing. i don't know why i had it turned up on the headphones. O_O

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 24, 2017 5:10 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hell yes, this was sooooo disturbing. Pressed all my wrong buttons and the honking just wouldn't *stop*. Traumatic.

wouldn't try to shoehorn in a new cast of cool kids just for the hell of it

the funny thing is that judging from the cast list when it was released one could reasonably have assumed this was going to happen, but it hasn't really worked out that way.

xp

Ok, one dumbass question: every episode Laura Palmer is in the credits. We basically only see her in the opening sequence, never anywhere else. Yet she is always in on the credit roll. Is this standard practise or another hint?

laura appears in disguise in every episode. i'm fairly certain she's driving the vw bus.

heh I was about to mention the mystery of Carl's driver

Can't tell if you are kidding or not wmlynch :-/

But if this is so, why is this not a huuuge talking point?

because it's a minor credit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHGeg_0Rlo

haha sorry.

Nae mind, I'm having a grand old time :)

The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.

Sound design, yet again, on this is consistently amazing.

Isn't Laura's face in the opening credits?

no it tim the toolman

Yes she's in the opening credits, a still image, but it feels like too much on the nose to list her in the ending credits just because she's in the opening credits?

I'm with Evan on the drug use. Side effects occur with drugs LET ALONE "super-drugs" - things like Sky's rash don't seem relevant to me at all

If anything they just hint that TP's darkness is still there with the drug trade etc.

LBI, they may be legally obligated to list her in the credits because they use her image.

the theme of the show is "who killed laura palmer?" so the actress portraying laura palmer is a permanent fixture, whether she appears in the episode or not

I think the closest Dougie/Cooper has come to original dialogue, if you discount the Jade line which he originally echoed but repeated again later, is "He's lying" which was prompted by a little glow but seemed like a deduction

I know we're all in denial and hoping we heard more but as far as I heard he was echoing the Mitchum brothers about cherry pie in this episode, even if he did so because it reminded him of something

lilliard gave me echoes of

http://www.cultjer.com/img/video/trance_redbtrailer_hd.jpg

hah

I mean it's exactly like the poor couple who were killed outside the box in Manhattan, the head mutilation. And a reminder of the weird fingers grasping the skull of the dirty bearded men in the atomic bomb episode. So maybe we have a tie between those two things.. and the creature there had a weird head that looked like the playing card/Hawk's map figure.

Apparently from Aug 6th TP will be on the hour before Game of Thrones, at 8pm. Which is good news for those of us staying up to watch it in the UK, I hope...

Nooooo! I can't watch GoT after TP, it's just such a weird step down in quality

Especially this latest season which is garbage so far

solution: never watch the game show

whenever we see Tom Sizemore standing up in a medium shot in this, his weird hunchedness makes me assume that he's weighed down by a fake penis full of clean urine at all times

I think the closest Dougie/Cooper has come to original dialogue, if you discount the Jade line which he originally echoed but repeated again later, is "He's lying" which was prompted by a little glow but seemed like a deduction

I know we're all in denial and hoping we heard more but as far as I heard he was echoing the Mitchum brothers about cherry pie in this episode, even if he did so because it reminded him of something

Otm. His two lines of dialogue that haven't been echoes have been "HI!" and "he's lying" (also iirc when Mullins said "how am I supposed to make sense of this" he said "make sense of it" in a halfway cooperish way, which kinda counts too). People itt are saying he said "damn good pie" unprompted which is obviously wrong on two counts: knepper says "this pie is damn good" and Cooper echoes "damn good".

yeah im with wins and mh here. Not gonna believe Dougie's changed til I see it, too many moments of clarity that led to nothing substantial so far.

When I think about how Bobby functions in the current season representing goodness/decency I think back to episode where his dad told him about the dream he had about the two of them. One of the best moments in the original series.

Not gonna believe Dougie's changed til I see it, too many moments of clarity that led to nothing substantial so far.

I think his behaviour is exactly the same - he's keyed into various emotional wavelengths a few times already - but the scene itself felt like there was a little more magic surrounding him than usual. On a pure plot level there's obv more vegas to go, with the detectives fusco running the prints, Anthony still to deal with, and Chantal & Hutch on the way

xxp obvious repetition is obviously my obvious tiredness

The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.

Yeah, just as I was finally moved to shout "will you shut the fuck up" the chief honker became the focus of the drama, which disarmed me.

i liked how her cries after the girl was puking seemed to be the same length as her previous honks

xxxp Johnny Crunch: 'Bad Taste' was what I thouht of when I saw Lillard's head:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGJhYjYzZjUtMjVhNC00NDBlLWE1ZDQtOTA4ZTIwNzAzYTc0XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUyNDk2ODc@._V1_.jpg

watching back that final scene, dale only repeats what the mitchum brother said ("damn good", as wins pointed out), but dale puts a uniquely dale emphasis on the word "damn". that's why it feels more like an authentic expression than his usual parroting.

Guys, what if Cooper's just been fooling this whole time and next episode he just looks up all clear-eyed and alert and goes 'Sike, guys. Sike. It was a goof.'

and he even pauses and has a clear realisation, briefly, before going back to the pie. ultimately it means fuck-all (he did the same thing with the coffee nine weeks ago) but at least it's a respite.

xp it wouldn't surprise me at all if lynch/frost pulled something unexpected and bizarre with dale at this point

…by that i mean he might not "snap out of it" at all, and all these stimuli might be a red herring. something else altogether could bring him back (i'm still putting a few bucks on a reunited urSkek dale)

What if Dale is actually Laura?

sometimes his arms bend back (insert dale in the glass box here, cbf finding a jpg)

Just realized that the final two hours are airing the weekend before my birthday. I was planning to take some time off and do something constructive and maybe that 'something constructive' will be rewatching sixteen hours of Twin Peaks.