Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Can't tell if you are kidding or not wmlynch :-/

But if this is so, why is this not a huuuge talking point?

because it's a minor credit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHGeg_0Rlo

haha sorry.

Nae mind, I'm having a grand old time :)

The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.

Sound design, yet again, on this is consistently amazing.

Isn't Laura's face in the opening credits?

no it tim the toolman

Yes she's in the opening credits, a still image, but it feels like too much on the nose to list her in the ending credits just because she's in the opening credits?

I'm with Evan on the drug use. Side effects occur with drugs LET ALONE "super-drugs" - things like Sky's rash don't seem relevant to me at all

If anything they just hint that TP's darkness is still there with the drug trade etc.

LBI, they may be legally obligated to list her in the credits because they use her image.

the theme of the show is "who killed laura palmer?" so the actress portraying laura palmer is a permanent fixture, whether she appears in the episode or not

I think the closest Dougie/Cooper has come to original dialogue, if you discount the Jade line which he originally echoed but repeated again later, is "He's lying" which was prompted by a little glow but seemed like a deduction

I know we're all in denial and hoping we heard more but as far as I heard he was echoing the Mitchum brothers about cherry pie in this episode, even if he did so because it reminded him of something

lilliard gave me echoes of

http://www.cultjer.com/img/video/trance_redbtrailer_hd.jpg

hah

I mean it's exactly like the poor couple who were killed outside the box in Manhattan, the head mutilation. And a reminder of the weird fingers grasping the skull of the dirty bearded men in the atomic bomb episode. So maybe we have a tie between those two things.. and the creature there had a weird head that looked like the playing card/Hawk's map figure.

Apparently from Aug 6th TP will be on the hour before Game of Thrones, at 8pm. Which is good news for those of us staying up to watch it in the UK, I hope...

Nooooo! I can't watch GoT after TP, it's just such a weird step down in quality

Especially this latest season which is garbage so far

solution: never watch the game show

whenever we see Tom Sizemore standing up in a medium shot in this, his weird hunchedness makes me assume that he's weighed down by a fake penis full of clean urine at all times

I think the closest Dougie/Cooper has come to original dialogue, if you discount the Jade line which he originally echoed but repeated again later, is "He's lying" which was prompted by a little glow but seemed like a deduction

I know we're all in denial and hoping we heard more but as far as I heard he was echoing the Mitchum brothers about cherry pie in this episode, even if he did so because it reminded him of something

Otm. His two lines of dialogue that haven't been echoes have been "HI!" and "he's lying" (also iirc when Mullins said "how am I supposed to make sense of this" he said "make sense of it" in a halfway cooperish way, which kinda counts too). People itt are saying he said "damn good pie" unprompted which is obviously wrong on two counts: knepper says "this pie is damn good" and Cooper echoes "damn good".

yeah im with wins and mh here. Not gonna believe Dougie's changed til I see it, too many moments of clarity that led to nothing substantial so far.

When I think about how Bobby functions in the current season representing goodness/decency I think back to episode where his dad told him about the dream he had about the two of them. One of the best moments in the original series.

Not gonna believe Dougie's changed til I see it, too many moments of clarity that led to nothing substantial so far.

I think his behaviour is exactly the same - he's keyed into various emotional wavelengths a few times already - but the scene itself felt like there was a little more magic surrounding him than usual. On a pure plot level there's obv more vegas to go, with the detectives fusco running the prints, Anthony still to deal with, and Chantal & Hutch on the way

xxp obvious repetition is obviously my obvious tiredness

The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.

Yeah, just as I was finally moved to shout "will you shut the fuck up" the chief honker became the focus of the drama, which disarmed me.

i liked how her cries after the girl was puking seemed to be the same length as her previous honks

xxxp Johnny Crunch: 'Bad Taste' was what I thouht of when I saw Lillard's head:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGJhYjYzZjUtMjVhNC00NDBlLWE1ZDQtOTA4ZTIwNzAzYTc0XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUyNDk2ODc@._V1_.jpg

watching back that final scene, dale only repeats what the mitchum brother said ("damn good", as wins pointed out), but dale puts a uniquely dale emphasis on the word "damn". that's why it feels more like an authentic expression than his usual parroting.

Guys, what if Cooper's just been fooling this whole time and next episode he just looks up all clear-eyed and alert and goes 'Sike, guys. Sike. It was a goof.'

and he even pauses and has a clear realisation, briefly, before going back to the pie. ultimately it means fuck-all (he did the same thing with the coffee nine weeks ago) but at least it's a respite.

xp it wouldn't surprise me at all if lynch/frost pulled something unexpected and bizarre with dale at this point

…by that i mean he might not "snap out of it" at all, and all these stimuli might be a red herring. something else altogether could bring him back (i'm still putting a few bucks on a reunited urSkek dale)

What if Dale is actually Laura?

sometimes his arms bend back (insert dale in the glass box here, cbf finding a jpg)

Just realized that the final two hours are airing the weekend before my birthday. I was planning to take some time off and do something constructive and maybe that 'something constructive' will be rewatching sixteen hours of Twin Peaks.

Because things like the glass box feel like a distant memory at this point.

Yeah I'm really feeling the idea of a rewatch from the beginning at this point.

have rewatched only the first 3 episodes, and they were hugely helpful as far as reminding me of plot points that only really make sense later

when hastings has his head torn open, he's the only one in the scene who's visibly afraid. perhaps fear is the reason he was targeted by the woodsman.

when sam & tracy are mauled in episode 1, they're about to fuck (love) when the experiment appears in the box (was she drawn there by love?), and their love quickly turns to fear.

briggs talked about love and fear in series 2, so i think this is going somewhere.

oh fuck, and dale & audrey will meet and fall in love, and the experiment will attack them! UH OH

As far as Candie goes, people kept talking about her actress (like 'Amy Shiels' character') - is there amnything I should recognise her from? Or that anyone knows her from?

No, fans mainly seemed to know her name because there was so much speculation about the announced cast list and she stood out on social media.

Ah, cool. I was just puzzled by why everyone knew her (unless they are big fans of the Final Fantasy movie, I guess).

she did a handful of interviews talking about how she was enthused to have a big role and we kind of dismissed it as someone who has a short resume being thrilled to be in a scene or two

Plus there's that thing where if you're acting in, say, a Lynch or Malick project, it's probably best to wait until you've seen the finished product before telling friends and family about your big break.

There are some fascinating posts throughout this thread about Dougie and dementia.

One of the things that happens often with dementia is that people around the affected person, through projection and interpretation, persistently find ways to believe the incapacitated person is still making sense. The extent to which Janey-E, Bushnell, and others all read Dougie's echolalia and other weird behavior as reasonable and goal-directed sharpens both the comedy and the pathos of the situation.

What's just struck me is how we as viewers of the show are being pushed into the same pattern, scrutinizing all Dougie's actions and speech for signs that good old Coop is on the way back, and sometimes even finding those signs where they might not exist.

I'd like to see Dale Cooper recover himself, but I'm no longer impatient with Dougie or assuming his story will move in that direction. In some ways, thanks to MacLachlan's astonishing performance, Dougie has started to feel more real than Dale.

The way Frost and Lynch are building the story around the absence of Dale Cooper feels different from anything else I've seen on TV -- much stranger than the way the original show was built around the absence of Laura.

Good post.

I can't even remember which recap it was but I read somewhere how 'The Return' in the title can be read as something ominous now, what with Coop trying to return to himself/the lodge.

Also Dougie's habit of repeating the last two or three words he hears out of some realisation, yet it also being an actual, accepted social conduct in real life to affirm what the other person was saying, is infectious. I've not done this out loud yet, but - say at work - when a co-worker says something stupid of w/e I repeat the last words in my head. Damnit.

One of the things that happens often with dementia is that people around the affected person, through projection and interpretation, persistently find ways to believe the incapacitated person is still making sense.

This is so incredibly true, especially if the person with dementia is in the same surroundings that the person they're interacting with is used to seeing them in. You see all the extensions of the person they used to be, like their home, clothing, possessions, and everything seems to make sense so you overlook the fact the person is missing.

Great post brad c