Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

otm, in a good way

This episode started with a red room sequence, and we got otherworldly stuff in the form of UFO TALK so I can't imagine what people would have to complain about

yeah, diane even stepped through a gap in the red curtains

one of the more meh episodes imo..grace and ben scenes being the saving grace, but felt like killing time to me

chromatics at the end was a nice touch though

the Audrey/husband stuff just felt unbelievable to me, i dunno

Everything that gets singled out as not working in this episode I'm like "no that was great wtf" but I have to say as a whole it threw me

Charlie is a classic soap opera cuckold imo, & you'll be pleased to know he's almost certainly back next ep if the description is anything to go by

The Carl scene was great. I love Stanton so much. Still cannot believe that guy is in his 90s.

sherilynn fenn was bad

original audrey went undercover as a call girl to try and solve a murder, this one shrieks at her husband to go to the roadhouse with her so she doesn't have to go out at night by herself, felt like a betrayal of the character

but mostly fenn just couldn't sell her scene

If she has zero respect for the husband (what an odd looking guy btw), why would she ask for his assistance? It didn't really work for me

this one shrieks at her husband to go to the roadhouse with her so she doesn't have to go out at night by herself

if it turns out bad dale did rape her, i wouldn't hold her fear of going out alone against her tbh

i'm also seeing people complain about audrey being whiny, which is fucked. she's justifiably furious because her husband (a) is being a dick and (b) won't help her find someone she's hugely worried about. if a guy reacted exactly the same way nobody would be calling him whiny.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 July 2017 05:43 (six hours ago) Permalink

If a man was asking his wife to help him find his mistress and berating the wife for not satisfying him, thereby causing him to cheat?

It was an incredibly odd scene for a bunch of reasons. If this is actually a missing person situation, the police should be involved. If there is some reason the police can't be involved -- if Billy is involved in crime of some kind -- then the husband's relative, (annoying) equanimity is misplaced.

fair point, although it seems he didn't know she was cheating until halfway through the scene

i'm sooooo tired

felt like a betrayal of the character

26 years is a hell of a long time

sure i guess the whole s3 is about betrayal of character

There's just no context for any of it: we don't know who billy, charlie, chuck or tina are, what their relationships or circumstances are, we don't know where this is or even who Audrey is these days - ben doesn't seem to remember she exists (then again he fails to mention the attack on Sylvia & Johnny to frank too) and the one name we're listening for in her exchange with Charlie, Richard, doesn't come up once. There's nothing to latch on to. It's the strangest reintroduction to an old character yet, and I have no idea what they're going for with it.

just rewatched the audrey scene and now i want to walk back my original comment. she does seem unreasonably aggressive. maybe there's something we don't know that will put it in context, but it's difficult to see how.

yeah idk y'all that guy seemed pretty tired

In the light of day...

As someone who trusts lynch in all this I can't really complain bc the first 12 hrs or whatever have been amazing. It just made me REALLY WANT NEXT SUNDAY TO BE HERE ALREADY FOR CHRIST, which I suppose makes the episode a success from a craft pov. Knowing we had gone this long w/o Audrey made me want her to not show up @ all (even though she would) bc our current TP world is already so rich. Whatever tho! All the things that people have pointed out are pretty otm.

And wrt Fenn's usage as a fuck you to Fenn -- I think Lynch has plenty of time to fuck with people but wouldn't entertain bringing someone in just to spite them. MJA was just written out/around/dream-imaged out of existence.

It occurred to me tonight that maybe Ashley Judd was cast as Audrey initially and then they shifted the part once Fenn got on board.

So there's something wrong in Twin Peaks. Maybe something wrong in the world. It could be the Black Lodge seeping out into the world, a garmonbozia plague, illicit BOB drugs, a space-time continuum fractured by Annie's message to Laura. Sarah Palmer senses it, a wrongness, overlapping valences, one reality overtaking another. Violent and erratic behavior is becoming the norm, people are behaving counter to their established personalities, jerky is made of turkey now. It will take a reconstituted Dale and Laura to heal the rift and purge the infection and blanket the world with beneficence. Something like that.

Can't believe Big Ed still hasn't shown up.

yeah twin peaks (the town) is definitely a basket case. too many familiar characters are having a shit time.

emily stephens at the av club said this about audrey:

Audrey has suffered in the 26 years since we’ve seen her, if her son’s behavior to his grandmother is anything to judge by. ... Audrey knows about people going missing, too: Laura Palmer and Ronette Pulaski both “went missing” while they were all in high school together, Audrey herself was held for ransom at One Eyed Jacks, and she presumably knows about Cooper’s disappearance… and possibly, to her sorrow, about his return as Dark Coop.

i'm not sure what i thought of this episode, but i do know i felt a sudden instant swell of anxiety when the palmer house ceiling fan showed up

This episode marked the first appearance of 'Laura Palmer's Theme' in the revival, yes?

(Not to mention the revived Badalamenti themes mentioned upthread.)

This episode marked the first appearance of 'Laura Palmer's Theme' in the revival, yes?

bobby cries over laura's photo to the same piece of music

Ahhhh, thanks.

The Badalamenti scoring has been so sparse (in COMPLETE contrast to the original series, I realized upon rewatching it recently) that it really catches my attention when it pops up.

My main takeaway from this episode is that Grace Zabriskie is the best.

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

Really loved the editing decision to abruptly cut to Audrey center-frame as her first appearance.

Then the excruciating pan to dramatically reveal her husband who we have never seen before, when if any character at this point should be lurking behind a reveal shot like that it's Audrey fucking Horne.

We're still only 2/3 of the way through at this point.

I predict that the next episode will either be another mind melting cosmic info dump or sixty minutes of Nadine methodically opening and closing the drapes in her shop window.

intercut with dale banging into things for 28 minutes before suddenly recognising a dictaphone in the very last scene

and then banging into more things in episode 14

I guess I agree last night's episode seemed a bit treading water -- honestly, the Dougie stuff at this point is getting worrisome. You could basically show everything he's done so far and pretend it all happened in one day, and his character would still be the same. I can't really see any change in him at all, and since we don't know his perspective (which IMO is a flaw in the script -- why should we not have Dougie flashbacks to things old Coop had done?), and having him make a (seemingly?) meaningless cameo makes me fear that David Lynch just thinks the scenes themselves are so inherently charming, I should be going along on the Dougie ride indefinitely.

Also, was a bit disappointed by the Audrey scene. Frankly I didn't buy her performance -- was it just bad acting? I could see the scene working if she'd acted a bit less "theatrically" angry.

many xps

Almost every old character has been oddly reintroduced with as little context as possible. We had no idea about Bobby and Shelly's marital status until last week. In the very first scene we had no idea if Cooper was in the Black Lodge or not.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 8:44 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mentioned this a few thousand posts ago, but my inclination is to believe that Lynch is fascinated with variations on the human form but he generally isn't exploitative in his employment of people who skew from 'the norm' (the most clearcut example of this being The Elephant Man, which is intensely sympathetic toward its subject). Most of the worst people in the TP universe are average white dudes, which rings true to me.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 6:44 AM (seven minutes ago)

eh....

Clark Middleton - Height: 5' 4" (1.63 m)

compare to...
Michael J. Anderson - 3' 7" (1.09 m)
Christophe Zajac-Denek (aka Ike The Spike) - 4' 4" (1.32 m)

or Sherilyn Fenn - 5' 4" (1.63 m)

(he's on THE BLACKLIST too)

In fairness to Sherilyn, she was probably as baffled as anyone that Lynch and Frost came up with this for her to do.

It's my understanding that at least some Horne family scenes were shot before Fenn officially signed on, so maybe she had already been essentially written out of any involvement with the main plot, and what they came up with had to be mostly irrelevant. But then again, Jacoby and Jerry's scenes so far have also seemed completely self-contained, so who knows.

I know him from the (to me) disappointing The Path