Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

No. It's not about the bunny.

'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand

just wanna say I see what you did there

was so annoyed I couldn't remember where I'd seen the actor that plays Charlie before - he's the guy that helps bury Uma Thurman in Kill Bill 2

I did get uncomfortable when Audrey revealed she was leaving him for Hercules the strongman

Fenn and Lynch are very close friends btw

The Return might not function more optimally if viewed as its own thing rather than as a continuation of Twin Peaks.

As a guy who is watching this without having seen FWWM and not having seen Twin Peaks since its original airing, I can confirm this stands entirely on its own

also how is it that no one has yet commented on the shot of Diane appearing from between two dark red curtains, that whole shot composition was straight out of the Red Room

xp

The sound effect that preceded her appearance was a red room one too

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 July 2017 13:42 (forty-two minutes ago) Permalink

B-b-but several of these clearly aren't plot points to be resolved? "The evidence the FBI found in Georgetown" was just a humorous way to re-introduce Albert and Gordon. Same goes for the place Bad Coop visits in the first ep.

Still six eps left ffs!

Also "Ike got arrested" is a resolved plot

But we don't know how the trial went.

I don't even really understand where, physically, Gordon, Albert, Tammy and Diane are right now. Where is that room with the red velvet curtains where they have the meeting? Where is the restaurant ("O'Donovan's") where Diane is drinking and checking her texts?

I'd thought they were still in/around Elkhorn but they mentioned drinking wine from Cole's private cellar.

Also: I assumed the "Angela" being talked about at the Roadhouse at the end ("she's on the edge") was Sky Ferreira's character, but no, that character was named "Ella." So is all this just atmosphere? Some sense that Twin Peaks is still, as always, a place where teens love each other and betray each other, but we're beyond that now, it's just something that happens in the background while the music's playing?

yeah I think they went back to NY?

xp

I think they're still in SD. Albert made a terrible joke about how the Dakotas are still in the Ice Age when Diane said she preferred her drink on the rocks.

xp I thought Albert said something about stocking the PLANE from Cole's private cellar, so maybe, wherever they are, they brought the wine off the plane? I mean, they're staying in a hotel, right? But so you think they're still in Buckhorn SD?

xxp oh good point, Albert does mention the Dakotas, I was confused by that too

Albert said it's a good thing Gordon stocks the plane from his private seller. They're still in SD.

Xp exactly

(I meant cellar not seller obv)

ah thx

Jeez twin peaks twitter

1. Not everything is a dream
2. Not everything is a "meta moment"
3. Shut up your theories are bad

A lot of the moments are meta tbf.

this whole show is a kingdom of the crystal skull meta moment with its bombs, ufos, old dads, cool old ladies, and terrible sons

I haven't seen that

Surprised I haven't seen more talking/complaining about the UFO angle coming in again

Like I don't care that the blue rose was explained because afaic it was explained later on in the film when coop first said "blue rose case", we knew that it was some kinda supernatural task force deal, but it is a little disappointing that it's a project blue book descendant imo

ufo stuff that comes out of nowhere and surprises everybody on the planet can be good. ufo + gov conspiracy always registers as corny, and I wish it'd go away

UFOs in TP almost certainly have nothing to do with the traditional idea of UFOs so I have no qualms as such. Probably just sightings of Experiments vomiting garmonbozia all over the countryside.

briggs head ufos

UFOs in TP almost certainly have nothing to do with the traditional idea of UFOs so I have no qualms as such. Probably just sightings of Experiments vomiting garmonbozia all over the countryside.

^^^my interpretation as well

Yeah mine too, just weird to couch it in those terms. I guess it's a twin peaks thing to play with cliched or anachronistic associations

guess you guys didn't read the secret history of twin peaks, it's like 75% about ufos

Somewhere uptrend someone comments on Diane typing in coord-i-nates-plus-two but from the flashback to her reading them on Albert's photo it's clear this is just a mnemonic for her.

"What kind is it?"
"ELEVEN OH FIVE"

was up there with

"A vicuña coat"
"SOUNDS GREAT SHERRIFF BUT I JUST ATE."

Xp I read it. Can't wait for the dossier to show up!

In my rewatch I have just got past the good ones in S2 and HOLY FUCK is it a cliff-edge into shit.

Leland's wake is like a whole different show (and is weird even if you don't remember that he's literally just confessed to raping his daughter and everyone is laughing and joking), Milford Wedding, Hawk is transphobic about Denise, Ben is about to go all Civil War, Josie appears after disappearing the episode before in the shortest cliffhanger ever, Norma's new father-in-law, Little Nick, I DON'T CARE.

leland's funeral is certainly the jolliest, wackiest, and best attended funeral service for a dude who murdered and raped his daughter imaginable

I thought the way Albert explained it, Blue Rose isn't concerned with UFOs per se but with some unexplained phenomena that got tossed into the Bluebook files and never got resolved. (In other words, the X Files.)

love that in twin peaks the return we have no dale cooper, basically none of the characters act like they did in the original show, and none of the relationships that were the basis of the show are explored. and instead we get lots of dougie. and a ton of one-note cameo character gordon cole, especially him getting amorous. prayers have been answered

basically none of the characters act like they did in the original show,

I don't think this is true. Hawk, Andy, Lucy, Bobby (esp Bobby!), Ben, Norma, Shelly, Sara Palmer, etc. are all p much as they were. Characters like Jacoby's focus may have changed but he seems p similar too.

Albert's p much the same too

The UFO stuff has always been Frost's thing, rather than Lynch's. And usually if a TV show mentions Roswell and that stuff I just move on to something else. Especially in terms of Twin Peaks it would be a shame to end up with such a materialist (I guess?) resolution. Thankfully I think Lynch would resist that.

There's a huge subset of UFO lore that interprets the subject in a more occult/paranormal light than it is popularly perceived. This is what Frost is drawing from.

" I assumed the "Angela" being talked about at the Roadhouse at the end ("she's on the edge") was Sky Ferreira's character, but no, that character was named "Ella.""

well 'ella' might be short for 'angela'

haven't watched this week's yet, can't wait

whoa, you just blew my mind

I thought this Blue Rose Task Force thing with Cooper and Jeffries and Desmond and Albert was kinda weird. Doesn't Gordon introduce Coop to Jeffries in that scene in FWWM? And all through the series Albert seems pretty skeptical of paranormal stuff for a guy who's in this secret club thing.

he didn't say they were all assigned at once

honestly that comment mostly made me worry about the fate of Albert

There's a huge subset of UFO lore that interprets the subject in a more occult/paranormal light than it is popularly perceived. This is what Frost is drawing from.

I always forget the supposed link between reported abduction experiences & child sexual abuse also

I've now decided I'm committing myself to loudly exclaiming "IT'S A GOOD ONE" whenever I have a nice bottle of wine

Tammy getting cheerily inducted into desaparecidos club over a FINE BORDEAUX was delightful

I've always thought of UFOs in TP being more derived from Communion-style psychological inward journeys, whereas X-Files and other pop UFO stuff was more derived from The Mothman Prophecies and its bizarre mirror image of investigative journalism.

I will admit I was disappointed to hear the words "UFO" and "Blue Book". In fact, this is the first episode i felt some measure of disappointment in overall.

lmao just saw someone post that Charlie has a crystal ball ON HIS DESK during that whole exchange