Are you giving him money to insult people, Simon?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 08:48 (six years ago) link
yes, sure, absolutely. that is definitely what I meant.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 08:54 (six years ago) link
Well are you? Are you still helping Felix 'insult people for a living', even though you seem unsurprised he would then go off and do shit like this? Are you knowingly enabling this behaviour?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 09:15 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gif
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
Actually, flappy bird, I want to ask you as well. You've written repeatedly that politics should be 'visceral and libidinal'. Are homophobia and rape jokes an acceptable part of libidinal politics?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HQfzwFloVqA/maxresdefault.jpg
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
Fred, why do you get so pissed?
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
sigh
the "insult" comment was only to say that CTH is approximately 50-60% a delivery device for insulting the pundit class + riffing on inside left twitter beef (though less of the latter of late). so no I don't think it's fair to say he gets paid to be a misogynist or whatever; he gets paid to help make a popular podcast which I do not believe to be misogynist. I was not referring to social media/outside-the-show stuff beyond that I imagine having a podcast like that be your principal job is bound to screw with your perceptions of Being Online and what's acceptable behavior and that's why I'm not super surprised something like this happened. did I enable the bad tweet by sending them five dollars? in a roundabout way, sure. I hope he is mortified by what happened and thinks more about who he's going off on online, but I still enjoy the podcast, albeit more for his co-hosts and their guests.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
yeah it was a shitty tweet but what else can you expect from edgelords but edgelord tweeting?
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
if someone wants to setup a patreon so they can fly over and shit in fred's mouth i will happily contribute
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
Tommy Vietor describing McCain as "9 parts hero, 1 part troll" on the live Pod Save America ep(feat. Joy Ann Reid!) makes me wonder if Beltway thinking exists in powder form that political staffers just snork down rails of for 4-8 years.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Monday, July 31, 2017 4:48 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this wasn't his characterization, he was relating how McCain campaign staffers viewed Johnny Maverick.
― evol j, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
Oh okay, that's a better read then
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
my mom started listening to chapo pic.twitter.com/UgCP5P7M2B— Davestar.fm Bot ✨ (@davidmeirrobot) August 1, 2017
― mh, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
sadly, this thought has also occurred to me
― mh, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
Stylin' & profilin' in Chicago:
When you dress like an actual baby (photo & caption credit: Amber A'Lee Frost) pic.twitter.com/82aE6ZXmzR— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) August 4, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 4 August 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
lol amber
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 01:06 (six years ago) link
finally listened to the Dollop's Uber episode, that is some essential listening right there
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
the Uber, the Enron, and the Opioid eps make me want to murder
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 4 August 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
I'm with everybody who considers this a comedy podcast aimed at left prog dorks with expendable cash
anybody who thinks otherwise, like this is a movement thing, or anything more meaningful than The Daily Show circa 2004+, is a goddamned imbecile
I will also note, The Daily Show c. 2004 and on, did promulgate some worthwhile ideas, for worthwhile causes
It was still a talk show on late at night that catered to an audience, and nobody voted for it
― El Tomboto, Friday, 4 August 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
I don't think anyone worth taking seriously thinks it's any more than an entertainment. (To keep the comparison going, just as Stewart always protested that he was doing a comedy show, these guys have repeatedly disavowed that listening/subscribing is a political act in any way). It has spurred some people to join DSA but that's about it.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 03:07 (six years ago) link
since I'm on mobile and can't dig up the activism thread, I was heartened to see this making the rounds in lefty circles today
I've been thinking a lot lately about how we build socialism in a place like White Sulphur Springs, MT, population: 939.— Erin G. 👩🏼🌾 (@ErinGoudreau) August 3, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 05:36 (six years ago) link
Part of that question is the extent to which socialists/leftists would have to engage with evangelical Christianity as it is today and how to do so without giving in on core issues like LGBTQ rights and abortion. Can you slip past it without engaging on those social issues until they've already begun to open up? Do you seek to use the leftist organizing as an alternative to the community of the church?
There are obvious models for this (Catholic Worker, etc.) but white, rural Protestantism is so far right it's a big hurdle.
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 4 August 2017 05:50 (six years ago) link
(that town has five churches for 930 people and the surrounding area, four Protestant + 1 Catholic)
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 4 August 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
As both a lapsed Catholic and a Marxist I definitely feel how complex that hurdle is, hopefully the Catholic left (a small but real thing) can help out with messaging when it comes to communities like these
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 05:54 (six years ago) link
The argument about whether or Chapo is just entertainment or not strikes me as a symptom of general lunkheadedness among political types. (As an aside, I saw Ralph Nader talk at a college back in the 90s and he turned off the crowd by a tone deaf attack on Beavis and Butthead.) People are led to political consciousness in a myriad of ways. Surely there were teens who read an anti-war novel and ended up joining the Vietnam protest movement. That's not to say that writing a novel is a kind of "political organizing" just that anything can be political and influential. And I'm going to guess that cracking asshole jokes on Twitter and podcasts is going to reach more people than most actual protests will.
― President Keyes, Friday, 4 August 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link
On a very related note, the DSA convention is livestreaming: http://www.dsausa.org/live
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 4 August 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Also Simon thank you for that twitter link. That's a good thread.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 4 August 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
Liking what I'm hearing from the DSA stage, good diversity of perspectives as well (not just in terms of race but ideological inspirations / focuses)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
new premium ep is pretty great, i haven't actually read the Trump phone call transcripts yet so i'm enjoying this insanity ("the local milk people")
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
any ilx0rs go to DSA in person?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
I've asked around before and got a few positive replies, don't think anyone is at the convention tho
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
since I guess this is the de facto DSA thread, I liked this set of interviews w/ POC members (including a couple in slates/committees)
http://splinternews.com/forget-bernie-bros-meet-the-young-people-of-color-lead-1797710340
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
Electing a guy who worked for a cop union to the NPC and the ensuing shit storm is just an amazingly 'American leftist' turn of events.
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:50 (six years ago) link
Yes, though tbf he seemingly deliberately concealed that aspect of his work history and they seem to be doing a decent job of dealing with it
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
Oh, he should definitely go, it's just the whole chain of events feels like yet another repeat of the way leftist groups shoot themselves and each other in the foot.
Between the steering committee to examine Fetonte and all the convention talk on this episode and a couple of other podcasts, all I can envision in my head is the SPUSA convention from Reds.
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
Only instead of Warren Beatty yelling in a smoke filled room it's an avatar threatening to quit the DSA on Twitter.
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
Any organization that tries to be "multi-tendency" is going to have hiccups, and this is a pretty small one in the grand scheme of things. I was sort of amused that for all the talk beforehand about the BDS resolution, only one member that I saw ended up making a fuss and leaving over it.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 11 August 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
I think Chapo has a use to the left beyond "entertainment" (for that matter I think Stewart was very useful to mainstream liberalism). It's not organizing, but it's a sort of reassurance or reinforcement. For me a weekly dose of Chapo is a reminder, like "it's ok, you don't have to read the Times op ed page and pretend to give a shit what it says. Your instincts are correct, trust them."
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 11 August 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link
OTM - it's separate from 'doing politics' (which they seem to accept way more than Stewart did - they actively support the DSA and progressive causes) but not just comedy.
― louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 11 August 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
jfc they've more than doubled their monthly take since I started this thread, I keep thinking they'll stall out but nah
https://graphtreon.com/creator/chapotraphouse
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 11 August 2017 01:34 (six years ago) link
i don't see it plateauing anytime soon, i think they'll hit 100k in a couple months, & for sure by the end of the year.
― flappy bird, Friday, 11 August 2017 01:36 (six years ago) link
So ridiculous, bringing in that much cash would be grounds for a purity test witch hunt if it were anyone else on the "left"
― Dan I., Friday, 11 August 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
yeah that's ridiculous, it's a decent podcast but truly not good enough to have all the attention + cash it has
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 11 August 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
― Dan I., Friday, August 11, 2017 10:06 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol, you are a dork
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 August 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
literally the only purity test aspect of it is that they're making money for sv vc slime as patreon takes a cut
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 August 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
― global tetrahedron, Friday, August 11, 2017 1:10 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wah
― flappy bird, Friday, 11 August 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
it's worth whatever ppl are willing to pay for it... aka the free market works
― sleepingbag, Friday, 11 August 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
They have thousands of people - most of them giving just $5 a month - giving them all that money. What's the issue? Where's the damage? It got popular. I love how so many writers & podcast people are so pissy about how much money CTH is making, it's just jealousy. Patreon is a great model for artists to support themselves - I like what CTH does, I pay $5 a month, and get a lot of content for a pretty low price relative to most other subscription services. Again, what's the problem? I've heard lots of fans talk about how much money they're making with this kind of suspicious/disdainful tone - I really don't understand it. They're not being bankrolled by anyone but their fans. That fucking rules.
― flappy bird, Friday, 11 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Uh yeah I wasn't clear. I'm not against them making money, I'm against purity tests and witch hunts, and especially hypocrisy regarding who on the left is allowed to seek/obtain/possess money without automatically becoming a Bad Guy
― Dan I., Friday, 11 August 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
"I'm against purity tests and witch hunts but i want a witch hunt in this case"
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 August 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link