Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Do you think he lost his verve once Catherine left the picture?

It's probably a combination of things, maybe including seeing a maniacal grandson running around.

I'm pretty much convinced by the idea that the bug eater will be Sarah, mainly because it'll be the easiest to explain with a couple of lines of dialogue - "I was visited in the night as a child and it has grown with me ever since. I've always known what the offspring of Mother are doing."

Evidence still is a little sketchy but:

She's the right age
She's always been sensitive to movements in the Lodges, although in the original series it seemed to take the form of her crying or cowering in the corner
When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party, happily reminiscing about the past while all the rape and incest was going on
If, as has been suggested elsewhere, it's the logo of the jerky that catches her eye then it's the similarity to the Owl Cave Ring symbol that causes her change in personality
She's visited by the horse
I've seen photo comparisons elsewhere that try and link the way she's smiling in the doorway when Hawk turns up in Ep 12 is very similar to Bob's grimace
Going right back to the pilot, she is never told Laura is dead but she somehow knows - she phones Leland to say she's worried and is on the other end of the phone when the police turn up, but based on how Laura lived her life why would she be so concerned after an overnight stop-out?
She is literally "Mother"

Part of this is down to neat storytelling, which might be a false expectation. I think there will a large number of loose ends to be honest.

I think either the Log Lady or Sarah, both would make sense.

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When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I think it's a little girl in New Mexico tbh

Also a ton of people in the pilot seem to intuit what happened to Laura when they haven't really been given reason to think the worst, it's part of the sense of guilt & repressed knowledge surfacing

sense of guilt & repressed knowledge

good ol garmonbozia

IIRC the wake scenes just seemed like an excuse to introduce a load of shitty new characters at once.

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

They pretty much abandon Sarah after that until the finale, she was of no interest at all to the collection of writers that took over in Frost/Lynch's absence.

And she wasn't even in the original script for the finale: her turn as a medium in the RR diner was one of Lynch's ideas during filming.

Were the episodes shot more or less in order? Or was the filming of scenes all over the place? Because it certainly feels like they are getting more familiar with each other, esp the Cole/Albert/Tammy scenes, as they go along.

Since they shot the entire season in one go, with the exception of reshoots there's not really any reason to believe they didn't shoot all of the NYC penthouse scenes in one go, the Twin Peaks scenes/roadhouse scenes all in a row, the Las Vegas stuff all at once, etc. It's just more logical and economical to do it that way, so any time you see MacLachlan in multiple roles within an episode, it's probably footage filmed months apart

Tangentially related, but I thought this was a loving parody (it aired on SMACKDOWN LIVE last night).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xayP9ErP5Nw

According to Dean Hurley, all the Roadhouse performances were supposed to be shot together, so I'd agree with mh's speculation:

From the get-go, David wanted bands to fill the bar, like Julee Cruise did at the roadhouse in the original. She was the house band. This time, Lynch wanted a bunch of different bands and to shoot them all in one day, and then find places for them within the show.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-music-dean-hurley-interview-1202470579/

I think either the Log Lady or Sarah, both would make sense.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, August 2, 2017 6:43 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

per the twin peaks secret history book the log lady grew up in twin peaks (and was abducted by a "ufo," along with carl (i think?) and someone else, as children)

Yeah, Margaret Coulson went missing with Carl and Alan Traherne when they were kids and all came back with the same patterns as Garland Briggs but behind their knees. I attribute her sensitivity to that event.

so she didn't grow up in new mexico

that smackdown thing must have been completely baffling to those who don't know twin peaks!

http://twinpeaksgazette.com/2017/07/01/who-is-the-boy-and-girl-in-part-8/

This is a pretty crude summary of potential candidates in the well-known cast and why it's not them.

I assume people may have already seen this elsewhere, but the final episode descriptions have been released:

17: "The past dictates the future."
18: "What is your name?"

_I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest_

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

I don't think sitting on a couch and being polite to hank makes her "the life and soul of the party". She's putting on a show of strength the way people do at funerals but nothing in her performance indicates shrugging it off. The writers at that point were going to great lengths to excuse Leland & this scene immediately follows Cooper telling her he wasn't really the killer & was forgiven by Laura in a vision - the reminiscences (remembering the good, BOBless times) fit with this sanitised version of events but otherwise she's the only character in this scene who's acting like they're at a wake! The scene ends with her refusing a sedative for the first time & saying "I want to remember everything" and then yeah we don't see her again until the finale. I don't see any evidence she ever "got over it", certainly not the devastated wreck of a woman we see in the new season.

Point being getting "Sarah is possessed" from any of this is a major stretch imo. Pointing to her grimace in one scene as evidence of anything is like, have you ever seen grace zabriskie before?

http://twinpeaksgazette.com/2017/07/01/who-is-the-boy-and-girl-in-part-8🕸/

This is a pretty crude summary of potential candidates in the well-known cast and why it's not them.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

We'll have to disagree. She seems to be the nexus of the wake to me, and especially if unsedated for the first time since maybe Laura's murder she seems remarkably together; more so than she was while sedated. I have to consider that it's the things Cooper tells her that give her comfort and the change of mindset, and I'd argue that can only really be true if she knows and understands what BOB is and maybe always did. The alternative is that it's Leland that did it all (because Cooper hasn't told her Leland admits he did it himself some of the time, BOBless) so how can she know when it started and what memories are unsullied?

I'm only going down the route because I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know (or at least one of them does) and accruing circumstantial evidence seems to be as close as we're going to get.

Of course, the girl could be Linda or Judy.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

Some of it is. The rest is 'age range is wrong'.

I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know

big leap here, imo

I know. Call me Bob Beamon.

making an assumption based on common/typical narrative structures and then casting about for evidence to support this assumption doesn't seem like the most appropriate way to engage with Lynch imo. Since he doesn't really adhere to standard narrative conventions in any way.

It's tangled because the writing is so clumsy at that point - they're clearly trying to breeze past it as quickly as possible so they can get to the good stuff with dougie milford - but my interpretation is that Sarah does know about BOB and is aware of Leland's abuse of Laura and her own failure to intervene, at least on some level, and this is central to her character. The "wash your hands" scene in fwwm makes this clear but there are other indications xps

I think that's otm -- tho the presence of the little convenience store seems to tie it to Leland's description of meeting Bob (which is why I doubt one of those kids is Sarah).

the problem w/looking for "clues" in Lynch work is that he loves things like "coincidences" -- stuff that could be meaningful, or could be meaningless (except in the sense that we are all connected in some way or another anyway).

xp to Οὖτις,

Fair point.

There are multiple speculations on a disjointed timeline, much of which seems to hang on what happened in Lost Highway and MHD and what Diane is wearing in any given scene. Alternatively they could be completely different projects by Lynch and she might just have taken a limited number of clothes on what was supposed to be a 24 hour trip.

Well, there's also an explicit speculation on a disjointed timeline right in the text (i.e. the formerly-missing pages from Laura's diary). Not to mention similar musings (whose 'canonicity' is arguable) in Frost's book.

Will it have been future or will it have been going to be past

I assume people may have already seen this elsewhere, but the final episode descriptions have been released:

17: "The past dictates the future."
18: "What is your name?"

This is exciting btw. I really hope that last question is answered by the giant saying "question...mark" seven times in backward speak

I'm not one to normally recommend youtube fan theories, but the Wow Lynch Wow one on Blue Rose was pretty great.

What's the gist?

wins i'll post it here, it's narrative-free but i'd say most of what it contains we all know as in we know that Blue Book was shut down, was a cover up and is still being investigated by Cole/Albert/Tammy. Video implies Tammy will be next to go as Desmond, Cooper and Jeffries were in the past. Not sure I buy the theory that Laura sacrificed herself to allow Cooper to escape the red room though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIOAR32qBs

did anyone post lynch's introduction at comiccon yet
https://youtu.be/XMN2l62Vbus
it's pretty goofy

"wins i'll post it here, it's narrative-free"

Thank god, because that guy's voice!

My brother was saying how much he loved that guys voice the other day.

Exactly what I was thinking Jed! Insufferable. Why are these youtubers trying so hard? Hear it more and more. Loud, obnoxious, semi-"""ironic""", and Murican to boot. God awful.

Gilmour: I'm sorry but that's Cain and Abel stuff.

I'm about to watch it though and thanks for the tip, Ross.

Are the episodes hence going to go 13, 14, 15, 16 then 17+18 combined (feature length)?

I don't think he's putting on that voice.

Hey, some people loathe Mark Cousins' voice but I found him comforting.

He's putting it on a bit. Good video though! The fact that it's so repetitive helps someone like me who can never remember plots points.

Yeah cutting the voice out was a good decision. It's fine although it's stuff everybody figured out already - "these are connections I've been making", when Albert mentioned by name three agents who mysteriously disappeared did anyone NOT connect that to the scenes we saw of those disappearances?

it's more of a concise editing job than new information to pour over yeah.

hey so here's a question, if there are any living/working critics or writers you would want to hear talk about the new season, who would it be?

(getting ambitious w/ podcast booking)