Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

_I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest_

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

I don't think sitting on a couch and being polite to hank makes her "the life and soul of the party". She's putting on a show of strength the way people do at funerals but nothing in her performance indicates shrugging it off. The writers at that point were going to great lengths to excuse Leland & this scene immediately follows Cooper telling her he wasn't really the killer & was forgiven by Laura in a vision - the reminiscences (remembering the good, BOBless times) fit with this sanitised version of events but otherwise she's the only character in this scene who's acting like they're at a wake! The scene ends with her refusing a sedative for the first time & saying "I want to remember everything" and then yeah we don't see her again until the finale. I don't see any evidence she ever "got over it", certainly not the devastated wreck of a woman we see in the new season.

Point being getting "Sarah is possessed" from any of this is a major stretch imo. Pointing to her grimace in one scene as evidence of anything is like, have you ever seen grace zabriskie before?

http://twinpeaksgazette.com/2017/07/01/who-is-the-boy-and-girl-in-part-8🕸/

This is a pretty crude summary of potential candidates in the well-known cast and why it's not them.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

We'll have to disagree. She seems to be the nexus of the wake to me, and especially if unsedated for the first time since maybe Laura's murder she seems remarkably together; more so than she was while sedated. I have to consider that it's the things Cooper tells her that give her comfort and the change of mindset, and I'd argue that can only really be true if she knows and understands what BOB is and maybe always did. The alternative is that it's Leland that did it all (because Cooper hasn't told her Leland admits he did it himself some of the time, BOBless) so how can she know when it started and what memories are unsullied?

I'm only going down the route because I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know (or at least one of them does) and accruing circumstantial evidence seems to be as close as we're going to get.

Of course, the girl could be Linda or Judy.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

Some of it is. The rest is 'age range is wrong'.

I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know

big leap here, imo

I know. Call me Bob Beamon.

making an assumption based on common/typical narrative structures and then casting about for evidence to support this assumption doesn't seem like the most appropriate way to engage with Lynch imo. Since he doesn't really adhere to standard narrative conventions in any way.

It's tangled because the writing is so clumsy at that point - they're clearly trying to breeze past it as quickly as possible so they can get to the good stuff with dougie milford - but my interpretation is that Sarah does know about BOB and is aware of Leland's abuse of Laura and her own failure to intervene, at least on some level, and this is central to her character. The "wash your hands" scene in fwwm makes this clear but there are other indications xps

I think that's otm -- tho the presence of the little convenience store seems to tie it to Leland's description of meeting Bob (which is why I doubt one of those kids is Sarah).

the problem w/looking for "clues" in Lynch work is that he loves things like "coincidences" -- stuff that could be meaningful, or could be meaningless (except in the sense that we are all connected in some way or another anyway).

xp to Οὖτις,

Fair point.

There are multiple speculations on a disjointed timeline, much of which seems to hang on what happened in Lost Highway and MHD and what Diane is wearing in any given scene. Alternatively they could be completely different projects by Lynch and she might just have taken a limited number of clothes on what was supposed to be a 24 hour trip.

Well, there's also an explicit speculation on a disjointed timeline right in the text (i.e. the formerly-missing pages from Laura's diary). Not to mention similar musings (whose 'canonicity' is arguable) in Frost's book.

Will it have been future or will it have been going to be past

I assume people may have already seen this elsewhere, but the final episode descriptions have been released:

17: "The past dictates the future."
18: "What is your name?"

This is exciting btw. I really hope that last question is answered by the giant saying "question...mark" seven times in backward speak

I'm not one to normally recommend youtube fan theories, but the Wow Lynch Wow one on Blue Rose was pretty great.

What's the gist?

wins i'll post it here, it's narrative-free but i'd say most of what it contains we all know as in we know that Blue Book was shut down, was a cover up and is still being investigated by Cole/Albert/Tammy. Video implies Tammy will be next to go as Desmond, Cooper and Jeffries were in the past. Not sure I buy the theory that Laura sacrificed herself to allow Cooper to escape the red room though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIOAR32qBs

did anyone post lynch's introduction at comiccon yet
https://youtu.be/XMN2l62Vbus
it's pretty goofy

"wins i'll post it here, it's narrative-free"

Thank god, because that guy's voice!

My brother was saying how much he loved that guys voice the other day.

Exactly what I was thinking Jed! Insufferable. Why are these youtubers trying so hard? Hear it more and more. Loud, obnoxious, semi-"""ironic""", and Murican to boot. God awful.

Gilmour: I'm sorry but that's Cain and Abel stuff.

I'm about to watch it though and thanks for the tip, Ross.

Are the episodes hence going to go 13, 14, 15, 16 then 17+18 combined (feature length)?

I don't think he's putting on that voice.

Hey, some people loathe Mark Cousins' voice but I found him comforting.

He's putting it on a bit. Good video though! The fact that it's so repetitive helps someone like me who can never remember plots points.

Yeah cutting the voice out was a good decision. It's fine although it's stuff everybody figured out already - "these are connections I've been making", when Albert mentioned by name three agents who mysteriously disappeared did anyone NOT connect that to the scenes we saw of those disappearances?

it's more of a concise editing job than new information to pour over yeah.

hey so here's a question, if there are any living/working critics or writers you would want to hear talk about the new season, who would it be?

(getting ambitious w/ podcast booking)

To be unrealistic about it: Dennis Lim, Michel Chion, or Martha Nochimson.

me

j/k

I also think Liz Ryerson (@ellaguro) would have an interesting perspective.

OWS we have been viciously pursuing Lim for months, my co-host actually knows him!

wins

chaki

jason mantzoukas

i talked about ep 8 on this podcast
http://shelbyfuckingcobras.tumblr.com/post/162553650470/nights-after-dark-episode-86-the-wack-lodge-and

niiiiiiiiice

diggin it

wins

Let's not get too ambitious

The music playing in the Mr. Reindeer scenes in Wild at Heart is "Avant de Mourir", from which the melody was borrowed for "My Prayer", which was used in Part 8.

Simon, feed is working fine now. Great ep as always!

Americans, don't forget it's an hour earlier this week - which is a slightly more manageable 1am our time but sky Atlantic have abandoned the simulcast altogether and are showing it at 3 :-(

While looking this up I also discovered that showtime in the US are doing a marathon of parts 1-16 leading into the finale for anyone who might be interested in the full feature experience

re the audrey scene, I saw speculation that since fenn missed so much of the shoot a lot of the other Horne scenes had to be filmed as though there were no Audrey (without mentioning one way or the other) in case she didn't sign on, which is why her name is mentioned in the Hayward scene but not in the ben or Sylvia ones.

This got me thinking: knowing how lynch likes to make hay from potentially limiting external circumstances, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he made a decision to emphasise her apartness from the rest of the story, both through structure/editing (when and how she finally shows up) and writing (alluding to a storyline with no connection to the richard plot that nonetheless recalls it)

I should stress that I absolutely do not subscribe to the theory that the scene is a coma dream or a film rehearsal or whatever, just that I can see lynch using this for maximum discombobulation rather than trying to smooth over it. Would be a bit of a shame if she had no scenes with beymer, though.

" I absolutely do not subscribe to the theory that the scene is a coma dream or a film rehearsal or whatever"

this is a ridiculous theory. the more I look at people's speculations about things, the more flabbergasted I am.

I think it comes of people not being happy with the scene & reaching for ways it might not be real - it's like the dumb "dougieverse" thing, where the Las Vegas material is so stylised that some people STILL need for it to be the matrix, even though that theory basically never made sense and certainly doesn't at this stage

Simon, feed is working fine now. Great ep as always!

Thanks wins, we have another sick guest coming this week and maybe one more before the end

When it's shown in the US, are there ad breaks? Because Sky seem to show it with ads, which annoyed my (I watched it live for the first time last week, rather than downloading it without the ads)

nope

Ew, no. That's a huge benefit of it being on a pay cable channel. I can't even imagine.

Thankful it was last weeks and not, say, ep 8.