well yeah. its just what the cartoon appeared to be mocking. it's idiotic.
― frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2017/08/11/alt-right-shindig-neo-fascists-plan-giant-rally-to-support-confederate-flag-what-could-go-wrong/
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 11 August 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
i mean, i'm a moron who doesn't necessarily understand it all, either, but i'm not relying on a cartoon by two libertarian d-bags as my sociopolitical bible
when you say this, yes, of course, nobody would do that. but when you consider that a show has been on tv for 20 years, that some people who weren't even born when it started are now voting age, that now there is an entire generation raised by it, that it has achieved Walmart-level of cultural ubiquity (yes, Wal-Mart, who they "eviscerated" sells their DVDs, plushies, t-shirts, keychains, etc.) , clearly it has had some wide-reaching impact. even if it isn't specifically on issues themselves it has promoted nihilism, cynicism and other toxic ideas and attitudes.
whenever the SP debate crops up a lot of the criticism is that people are missing the jokes or too stupid to get the satire. this is beside the point. if they are selling a product that is so mass marketed that ironic racism can be taken the wrong way, they need to address it. now that they have made their careers off the public, they have a responsibility towards that same public.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 August 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
fwiw also their attack on Trump was very weak, they just ran w the "he doesn't really want to run!" thing the whole story, and the Canadian Trump thing was only for one show. PC Police was a far more involved storyline.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 August 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
I hear they're totally avoiding politics for their next season
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Friday, 11 August 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
of course, nobody would do that.
oh i think that idiot Stephen miller (the other one) and his "SouthPark Repubs" kind of do do that.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 11 August 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
would prefer they just avoided making a tv show altogether
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
so much to answer for
like, there's a direct line ime between SP's ridiculous libertarian shitbag politics and that recent Google manifesto, techbro culture was weaned on SP
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
It's the "we mock both sides!" crap that skewers the idea you should care at all about institutions or politics and makes people assume there are small differences or things are all, if not equally bad, just bad.
I have a friend who is relatively level-headed but if I made some point about the debates pre-election or a specific issue he'd mention "oh it's like X and Y, always complaining about.." where X and Y were whatever caricature of the candidates South Park had created. Yeah, no, you can't laugh off particular issues when depending on how votes go, it could mean survival or death for people that don't live they way you do. If you're white and straight and not in poverty and you're laughing off racial or sexual politics, fuck off
― mh, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
i think it is smarter to focus on the characters more and this is their strength. storytelling focus more on the town itself and these characters we love. back to the heart music.
whenever they used a political topic, say BLM, school shootings, or Syrian refugees/Whole Foods(?), it felt exploitative. and not just of the fictional refugees living in a Whole Foods parking lot (makes you think!). it felt like an act of creative desperation. like Homer becoming a Hip Hop producer it feels like a contrivance to seem relevant.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 August 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
why change now, they've been doing that for 20+ years
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
trump's presidency basically turning america into a real life SP ep and oh NOW you want to "avoid politics"
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 11 August 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
haha yup
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:14 (six years ago) link
Anyway, fat Nazis
The Daily Stormer ran a story complaining that American neo-Nazis are too large to be taken seriously pic.twitter.com/FFwcgnTEjA— Will Sommer (@willsommer) August 11, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
you have it the other way around. America has been acting like Trump for over two hundred years. Hillary lost cos she was a bad candidate and ran a bad campaign. the overall election was so negative that most people didn't vote, so only hardcore fans voted for their candidates, and the media wants you to believe that there has been a crazy paradigm shift to sell your eyeballs.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 August 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
xp before & after
http://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/16/f98e9cb498fb1bf4fcbd979ebff90a960964ea_lq/goering.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/a7/41/e8a741956832b95d24aeffde0f416442--historie-world-war.jpg
― soref, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
I recommend this dietary regime for all american nazis
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
I'm with Οὖτις and Adam on the South Park thing
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 11 August 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
It might be 'smart' but it's smart as in smart-arse libertarian 13 year old boy smart
With a definite hard-edged elitism going on - there's a small group in the know, who are smart, and everyone else in the village is dumb
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 11 August 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
So there is nothing we could possibly gain from talking to the angry, dumb, adults - angry people/dumb people (the same) have nothing worthwhile to tell us
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 11 August 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
i think the thing w/south park is it's a show that makes me feel kinda bad for some reason, like how i felt reading the Gavin Mc1nnes era of Vice Magazine. which it bears a similarity to in how it kinda alt-ed all kinds of bigotry and seemed to think empathy was for suckers or i guess now cuckers.
― nomar, Friday, 11 August 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
though i think it was more part of the shifting landscape than one of the main causes of it.
― nomar, Friday, 11 August 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
angry people/dumb people (the same)
I call them 'anger dummies'.
― how's life, Saturday, 12 August 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
I call the big one "fighty"
― seven mambas (m bison), Saturday, 12 August 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
my South Park anecdote -
one grad school summer i interned in Boulder, CO. i found a random craigslist place and thought everyone would be cool...actually i remember i already blogged about all this shit years ago on another thread. but to cut to the chase, they were all climate hoaxers, one of them told me that his biggest dream was to own a yacht, and south park was on 24/7. ever since then i associate SP with total dipshits
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link
You guys watching this march on UVA?
― horseshoe, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:12 (six years ago) link
Massive brawl breaks out, tiki torches thrown as #UniteTheRight reaches Jefferson monument in #Charlottesville. Chemicals dispersed pic.twitter.com/NsepwZC0Te— Alex Rubinstein (@RealAlexRubi) August 12, 2017
― horseshoe, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
My hometown :(http://wvtf.org/post/alt-right-rally-sparks-positive-action
― sleeve, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
― sleeve, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link
Oops, sorry horseshoe, did not realize that was the same link
― sleeve, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:10 (six years ago) link
pretty sure i saw a nazi salute in the midst of that video
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:14 (six years ago) link
There are def Nazi salutes, chants of "blood and soil" and a woman tells a counter-protestor he "sounds like a n-----"
― horseshoe, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:20 (six years ago) link
a wapo reporter tweeted that the Nazi/Klan protestors pepper sprayed the counter protestors
― horseshoe, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
Hope the judge who reinstated their permit is pleased about this.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:23 (six years ago) link
White nationalist alt-right torchlit march going through UVA grounds: "you will not replace us" pic.twitter.com/QS8ebI9XOW— Tim Dodson (@Tim_Dodson) August 12, 2017
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:25 (six years ago) link
creepy as fuck
anyone who knows any of these people should cut them out of their lives immediately and warn everyone they know about what terrible fucking people they are
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:26 (six years ago) link
i don't think i know any alt right people. i don't really know hardly anyone anymore tbh. but if i did, i would write a letter to wherever they worked and tell their business owners that they're employing neo-nazis and that i would boycott the business until they were fired
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:27 (six years ago) link
that'll show them, in my hypothetical universe
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:28 (six years ago) link
i think you're right and i'm not sure if it would "work" in all cases but i'd say it's our responsibility to do it
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
I've been advised by my security that #Charlottesville is too dangerous for me to speak at #UniteTheRight so I'll leave the war to the men— Wife With A Purpose (@apurposefulwife) August 12, 2017
jfc the alt-right is fucked up
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
i guess i cannot judge, as a husband without a purpose
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
Always good to see anonymous fash accounts with a blue tick.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 12 August 2017 06:21 (six years ago) link
I can't believe I clicked on this thread tonight of all nights and saw a heated discussion about South Park smh
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 August 2017 06:31 (six years ago) link
Twitter feed is filled with lots of photos of these asshole. I hope leads to real life consequences for them, loss of jobs, public disgrace, etc.
― Moodles, Saturday, 12 August 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link
The big rally is today. There are crazy pictures and videos on Twitter already.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 12 August 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
i was surprised there weren't 100 new posts when i woke up today
apparently protesters and clergy have already been attacked with brass knuckles and bats??
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
i'm watching a live shot on MSNBC of a group of people beating a protester with signs, and zero police around
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
Wtf
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 12 August 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link