Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

It's just awe inspiring.

it's masterful - if he can make a moment from a 25 year old movie that seemed odd and unsettling suddenly become portentious and disturbing, that's narrative power. extremely cool

dunno how much truth there is to it, but there were rumours back in the day that Lynch was planning further Twin Peaks films before FWWM tanked. He may have had some of the ideas we're seeing in this percolating for some time

OMG, what if Lynch pulled a Dr. Parnassus with Phillip Jeffries and recast another rock & roll star on the role, perhaps someone with the initials EV...

i hope not

https://i.redditmedia.com/4DZtOYmVO7WsqFnGosoOVGJi-lcP5GlK71R6rMuppLI.jpg?w=1024&s=c4707916d2ec330d1d456ae81b29b7f3

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

I am so glad to be alive to have been able to see this episode. I've no words. Genius and nuts.

Will read up the hundreds of posts now. Mind blown.

Some thoughts:

- Are we all buying Diane's confession of Jane-E being her step-sister? The Diane who has some secret communication channel with BadCoop (?) going on and constantly obstructs things? I'm not nearly convinced.
- COFFEE TIME!
- "Who ordered just cheese?" was Hawk becoming one with Harvey Keitel in Reservoir Dogs, loved that
- At one point we are going to see the left glove turn up, right?
- Andy was such a leader after his visit to the lodge, I loved that. Though putting a blind, distressed woman in a jail cell just like that struck me as... ill advised? (I know Andy said it was to protect her, but jeez, find her a better hiding place will you?)
- The girls at the end, in the bar. Billy and her mom, Tina, had a thing. The girl twice, or maybe even three times, said: 'I can't remember if my uncle was there' when talking about Billy being in their home all bleeding. Who's the uncle referred to, do we know?
- "We are like the dreamer who dreams and then lives in the dream. But who is the dreamer?" This has Mulholland Drive written all over it. Only one director who can get away with all the dream metaphors and it's Lynch.

$20 says this series ends with Jeffrey Beaumont waking up next to Sandy and telling her about the weird dream he just had.

tilda swinton is the best choice for Jeffries, unless Bowie is in this

$20 says this series ends with Jeffrey Beaumont waking up next to Sandy and telling her about the weird dream he just had.

― Say, I Heard You Had a Quarrel With Your Best Girl (Old Lunch), Monday, August 14, 2017 8:10 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dick Tremayne's dream imo

Dick Tremayne's dream imo

I only finally registered here like a few weeks ago and my posts have already hit rock bottom

FWWM had Annie, bloodied from the Lodge, appearing anachronistically in Laura's bed to tell her "The good Cooper is in the Lodge and he can't leave. Write it in your diary," so I don't think it's a stretch to read the Jeffries scene as another way to acknowledge the situation of Cooper's doppelganger outside the usual purview of a prequel.

Totally. There are time loops at work.

Briggs planting the note for Bobby and co. as well.

Re uncles--in ep 11 the angry honking lady says that they're late for dinner, her uncle is joining them, she hasn't seen him in a long while...

No idea where they're going with these mysterious uncles but it's intriguing.

What word does Tammy say after she says "The dying woman was not natural... conjured--what's the word..."

"Atopa"? "A topa"? What does that mean? I'm probably mishearing some obvious and common word

Ah, she said "A tulpa"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

Well hey and check out this picture from that Wikipedia page:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Music_of_Gounod_-_Annie_Besant_Thought_Form_-_Project_Gutenberg_eText_16269.jpg

how can i get a tulpa

in the reply all podcast episode about tulpas, they talk to people who are trying to create them:
http://gimletmedia.com/episode/74-making-friends/

Jesus, Freddie's story was 8 minutes long!?

yeah, i might be alone here but i didn't like him and i thought that scene dragged far more than any dougie sequence (which i like, in general)

I figured there were so many things I’d loved that if they wanted so spend so much time on this novelty character, they could have him

yeah, there's only been about half an hour out of about 14 hours that i haven't really enjoyed, so we're doing preeetttty good

i think this has been my favorite tv show of all time since about ten minutes into the first episode

kind of an interesting switch-up of bowie's voice in the original FWWM vs the footage they used in last night's episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXmiCTLuTI

the southern accent is less dramatic in last night's episode, and a "this" is switched out for "that". it's probably not a big secret or important or anything, they probably just dubbed in an outtake so that the accent would be less heavy. still kinda interesting though!

maybe Gordon and Albert aren’t remembering it quite right

lol

That wasn't Bowie's voice btw, they got an actor to impersonate him. He was listed as "Voice" in the credits.

oh, really? in FWWM? i had no idea

No for the re-dub in this episode.

oh.

...that's odd.

I believe the footage of Bowie is not from FWWM but from The Missing Pieces, which has "that" instead of "this" (but the voice is overdubbed nonetheless).

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp OH JAKE WARDLE IS THAT GUY! NOW i know where i'd seen him

Also: given Monica's questions, it's funny that Gordon doesn't remember/bring up Jeffries saying "It was a dream. We live inside a dream."

hmmm, maybe that's what subconsciously reminded him of the stuff shown in the jeffries flashback in the first place, although he doesn't directly recall it

Yeah, I'd think so; and given that they were starting to remember that situation in the scene we saw, I reckon there's a chance it may be made more explicit in another flashback in one of the remaining episodes

Wait - people didn't immediately make the connection between "who do you think this is there" in fwwm and the events of the finale? I thought that was always obvious

Finally caught up on this and the rest of Twin Peaks. Besides FWWM, I hadn't seen any of the original series before last month. I've read the two threads on here over the past couple days. Nothing to say other than I love this, the show, the discussion, the privilege & luck to be able to watch this series air in real time. Like someone said upthread, it really is like seeing the future.

I feel like people are underselling the RR scenes in 11 & 12 with Shelly and Norma. Both are so heartwarming and emotional at first - Bobby and Shelly's daughter may be in a bad way, but at least they're still together and (presumably!) married, after all these years. And then to have Balthazar fucking Getty come out of thin air and be seen by Shelly through a thin window, as she's embracing her crying daughter, and runs out of the diner and kisses the dude in the fucking doorway. It's such a disturbing and jarring tonal shift, Lynch brings sentimentality and real love to the surface only to split it in two.

Norma & Ed scene is equally devastating - this the first time we see Ed! we finally have confirmation that they too have stayed together after 25 years. true love!!! the beginnings of both of these scenes are forces of love against the heart of evil birthed in 8. the interactions Norma & Shelly have with their lovers are so... impersonal and faceless! as if those characters left their bodies when these men appeared. it's the exaggerated kiss/makeout, then "are we good for later? your place?" or "dinner late?" obviously there's something going on at the RR - the credits sequence in 7 (?) where the establishing shots show different people and different configurations of people in what is ostensibly the same scene/moment in the diner. all of this reality bending/dream logic really kicked in after Gordon accessed the portal to the hobo staircase.

but more than reality bending... i've started noticing the abundance of young kids after reading this thread before i watched 11, 12, and 13. there's something going on with having so many kids witness and adjacent to incredible brutality and horror, and the parade of actors and actresses that are either a) dead b) dying c) very old. the RR is where family is concentrated, that scene in 11 with Bobby going outside to see the zombie kid dressed exactly like his father along with the angry horn lady... there's an assault on the family coming from the outside the RR, directed by Black Lodge forces. i feel like it must be way too simplistic to label love the enemy of the Lodge and the evil birthed in 8. I suspect and am worried that the Fireman is bad - someone very otm upthread about all visitors to the Lodge this series being very naive / easily manipulated / unable to grasp the significance. But I'm fascinated by those two scenes with Shelly & Norma. Was very worried about Andy considering all this when he got sucked up into the Lodge in 14.

tilda swinton is the best choice for Jeffries, unless Bowie is in this

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:16 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tilda swinton's career is in danger of becoming a series of portrayals of people who look sort of like tilda swinton (sorry for the xp flappy bird)

Apparently Reddit is full of spoilers for the last 4 episodes now

great post flappy

re: the people chosen to visit the lodge being naive/manipulated, it's closely related but i've seen them more as people who are able to listen to intuition. i suppose the difference between being criticized as naive and praised as intuitive can often come down to the outcome.

btw I figured it out

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/60/c9/7c/60c97c46abc41d481e3d3597d11ae50c--ben-and-jerrys-twin-peaks.jpg

Jerry is the dreamer guys

Apparently Reddit is full of spoilers for the last 4 episodes now

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:36 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how the hell? leak?

Something to do with some Russian torrent site. Apparently there are some badly translated synopses that arseholes are posting all over the place

oh jesus

I think you're fine if you just don't go on Reddit, which is always decent advice anyway. Tbh I doubt I'll encounter a worse spoiler than the one someone thought it was cool to post itt, which is looking likely to be from the finale and maybe even the very end scene

thanks for the warning, seems i missed that post

maybe i should drop out of this thread until the finale and hide from all twin peaks conversation, three weeks is no great hardship

i just searched for more Mulholland Drive connections on reddit and there are so many more references than i thought at first: the way Janey-E looks at the big bag of money when Dougie comes home with it, doubles/identity issues (not that this is unique to TP and MD), Silencio being featured in 8... also surprised how few people have mentioned that Naomi Watts is introduced in S3 wearing the exact same outfit as Betty Elms when she arrives at the airport in her dream in MD. there are so many overt and subtle references to Lynch's films throughout - another one is the beginning of 8 where Evil Coop and Ray are driving in the darkness, visually it's completely Lost Highway, and then there's even a death/transformation in the desert when Ray tries to kill Evil Coop.

oh yeah! i found something fucking insane on reddit:

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