Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I predict a really sad scene where he has to leave his vegas family

I predict a hilariously tense scene between Janey-E and Diane

based on the tone of voice in that White Lodge scene it was definitely True Coop and not dougie tho

thats really the only reason for my belief. otherwise it would seem totally feasible that he was never coming back

Depends what's meant by "true coop" but yeah I think we'll see him closer to the way he was before he went through the electrical socket at some point. There's also the shit of him driving in the trailer.

*shot lol

I'm hoping for a sweet denouement of True Coop asking Janey-E out for a date. And then a mechanical bird eating a bug.

I had to rewatch it but yeah you're right he seems/acts/talks like OG Coop in that scene so idk

xxp i mean like the coop we saw still in the lodge scenes of this run of episodes, who was definitely the cooper we knew in most ways.

i highly doubt we'll ever see the happy go lucky pure innocent coop from the show's early going, but i don't need that and i dont think that many ppl do

Yeah I'm pretty sure we'll see that guy again, but probably v little of him in "the world". He has to "find Laura", an imperative which involves a little more active agency than "don't die" (although knowing the way even true coop usually resolves things this won't take much more than suddenly remembering what she whispered in his ear - guessing "meet me at the roadhouse at 4:30")

idk this quote from the president of Showtime leads me to believe that we'll see True Coop back by the end: "the core of [the series] is Agent Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks."

P sure an "odyssey" should involve more than standing around repeating what ppl just said and having trouble working out doors, but whatever

well there's 4 hours left still

The furniture ordering scene with Andy and Lucy strikes me as more of a jab at marriage banality than contempt for the characters.

Man, as soon as that crazy 'contempt' charge popped up itt, I was wracking my brain to think which characters that might even legitimately apply to. I came up with 'the creep whose throat Sarah ripped out' and I couldn't really think of any other recent or obvious examples. Lynch doesn't often evince contempt even toward his most irredeemable villains. I'd wager, if anything, Lynch admires the basic goodness of eg Andy and Lucy in a world where truly heinous evil exists.

The only one that comes to mind is James, back when I thought he would literally have no lines and "he doesn't talk much anymore" would be the last description of him. But then the last few episodes have definitely added much more and humanized him in some ways

twin peaks multiverse: doc hayward and sarah palmer are both in this seinfeld scene pic.twitter.com/QC1emCrwBm

— charlie 🖕 (@charlie_gfy) August 19, 2017

Didn't they play Susan's parents? I think they were in a number of scenes together.

still marveling at the pure joy of James making his musical return

Cooper has his FBI pin on in those initial lodge scenes!

@old lunch i forgot he played the dad :/

I'd forgotten Zabriskie was her mom! Frost's dalliances with Cheever, otoh, were very memorable.

still marveling at the pure joy of James making his musical return

Not to mention the pure joy of his actual return with the knowing but also obviously entirely sincere line from Shelly

the howling over the "he's always been cool" line was plebeian af but also the response l/f were trolling for, there were a few emotional moments in those first two hours (Margaret) but mädchen straight up telling heathens to fix their hearts or die was the first real bump of sparkle

― more like matthew badlose (wins), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:31 (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people will do all kinds of contortions to arrive at any conclusion other than that lynch likes the character he created and the song he wrote and the actor he keeps casting, but you could see from the second he appeared that they'd stayed true to the heart of the character ("James is sweet, but he's so dumb") while recalibrating him just slightly to be a dim sadsack you can actually like. If they had him still doing the brooding thing at age 50 I'd be more inclined to believe the contempt thing.

some interesting bits from a james marshall interview that also touches on the eternal questions of lynch's involvement in the original series and how it changed without his involvement:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-the-return-james-marshall-interview.html

I’ll start by asking a very important two-part question: Do you think James is cool? And has James always been cool?

[Laughs.] First of all, it’s a weird thing. The “cool” thing, I don’t know. I don’t think of myself that way or the character that way, thinking of yourself as tough. The tough guy. That’s other people’s opinions. The character is a lot like a James Dean–esque character, that’s kind of obvious. David and Mark back then were doing amalgamations of different icons within people on Twin Peaks. To me, Lara Flynn Boyle was a Natalie Wood mixed with Audrey Hepburn. Sherilyn Fenn was the classic siren mixed with Marilyn Monroe. My character was a James Dean mixed with a few other icons that David particularly liked. Very ’50s. In a nutshell, when David handles this show, my character gets handled much better.

What do you mean by that?

Back in the day in the first two seasons, we had a lot of different directors and a lot of different writers. And I wasn’t a strong enough actor. I didn’t really have the strength at the time as an actor to hold my own, so the character kind of went funny. Initially, these directors and writers stayed true to what the character was, but it still wasn’t handled right. It just wasn’t handled the way David would’ve handled it. He’s a very individual, very unique, signature person. It’s like having a Spielberg come up to direct, or to think of music, having a Hendrix come up and play. You’re not going to get another one and you’re not going to get someone to imitate him. So that was the whole situation with the first and second season. Now, this is pure David. It’s handled exactly how it should be.

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it's funny we both revived (well, if 3 hours after the last post counts as a revive) at the same time to talk about james! i should have excerpted this part, too:

Interviewer: I thought it was fitting that Shelly had a throwaway line earlier this season to vouch for James’s coolness.

Marshall: It really wrapped up the character in a subtle, simple way. An accident is mentioned — he had an accident. Shelly isn’t saying James has become “Fonzie cool,” what she’s saying, I think, is that he’s cool because he’s always had a straight line. Everyone has gone a little kooky, but James has always been a good guy and a good person who wants to do the right thing. It’s not like he’s a Pollyanna, but he’ll do the best he can. He’s a straight-up person and he wears his heart on his sleeve. I think a lot of people read it that way, too. There’s not a lot of time for each character — there’s so many people! So that’s what I think David was doing. To solidify what each character is, as quickly as he could, without taking too much time and doing too much exposition.

sorry to quote multiple times from the same interview (obv i'm reading through it as i post, like a dork, but it's actually worth reading in full. james marshall seems like a really good guy), but this sheds some interesting light on how the roadhouse performances were filmed:

I’m allowed to say this now, but this is the extent of how David operates: He had family members and best friends of the crew and the cast come in and do extra work. So he wasn’t calling casting agencies for more people. He wanted to be able to trust everyone, so nobody was getting on phones and recording it. I watched all of them, and pretty much everyone was straight-up. Nobody went online and said anything. Nobody posted stuff on social media. They were sitting there watching all of these different acts go on. David would rotate the audience, too, to freshen the scene up. I think, initially, the crowd kind of got my song, but I’m not sure. They were doing mass amounts of bands in one day on constant rotations. These people got to watch a bunch of bands play and just weren’t allowed to talk about it. Eddie Vedder and Nine Inch Nails definitely got the biggest kick, but again, all of these people were family and friends. They already knew the protocol. They weren’t hounding them or yelling about autographs. Everything was taken care of, David went through all measures to lock it up.

:-) James Marshall is cool and I hope his health improves. I heard an interview with him where he talked about his ideas about James's motorcycle adventures post-series and he said he always liked the idea that he was bisexual and that's why the last you hear of him is that postcard from San Francisco

Agree that lynch had the best handle on the character & was p much the only director to ever get a decent performance out of Marshall.

came across an interesting theory on the voice of phillip jeffries in some FB group: could the voice on the phone have been Albert? maybe there is something amiss with Albert.

lol is that because the phone voice was pitched down & distorted to disguise it and ferrer's voice just sounds like it is

Speaking of which, I find his voice quite hard to listen to in this, it's like he's struggling to get the words out sometimes - I wondered if this might be a symptom of his throat cancer but I think it might just be the way his voice aged (haven't really kept up with his career). Apparently nobody knew he was ill during filming.

Okay I looked it up and it's definitely the illness - around the time of filming a bunch of NCIS fans who had experience with throat cancer were speculating that he had the disease based on a sudden change in his voice :-(

that james interview is great. he's always been cool

Btw did hawk see something out at Glastonbury grove? He doesn't mention anything to anyone

― in a soylent whey (wins), Monday, 22 May 2017 12:13 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was never followed up on at all btw. I don't normally get hung up on these things but I'm starting to wonder if a couple of things might b slightly out of sync

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 10 July 2017 03:10 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wins I assume Hawk saw what Harry Truman saw the night Cooper went into the Lodge: the curtains appearing behind Sycamore Grove. It's implied that that entranceway only appears at certain times or on certain occasions so I think Hawk was just going out to check that the log's info was correct.
It certainly looks that way, but that's what I mean: the next time we see hawk he's following up on the first phone call only (something is missing), telling the sheriff "hey I got this one call from the log lady, might be nothing but her info's been good before"; you'd think from the sequence of events as we're shown them he'd also be like "oh and btw I got this other call about the stars turning and I went out to the woods and saw some magic red curtains", but he doesn't. It's a strange scene to have no consequence whatsoever.

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 10 July 2017 06:41 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just rewatched the first two parts - which holy shit btw, highly recommend doing this - and there is just no way that scene of him seeing the curtains is in sequence. He gets the call from the log lady asking what he's up to & says something like "your log & I are on the same page. Something's supposed to be happening tonight".

http://i.imgur.com/oRXL09J.jpg

Yeah, the last couple of parts have made it especially conspicuous that scenes are being presented out of chronological order, but I think it's already implicit in that scene, and explicit in Part Three, when Cooper's passage through the Glass Box is shown to take place while Sam and Tracy are meeting outside the room in Part One.

Xp

Yeah, if anything those two examples seemed to be setting us up for this sort of thing to be more of an overt feature than it actually has so far in the rest of the series - just a few scenes shuffled around in an otherwise linear story since then

The furniture ordering scene with Andy and Lucy strikes me as more of a jab at marriage banality than contempt for the characters.

it's a beautiful scene, she won by getting him to acquiesce as a display of his love for her by letting her have the beige chair and then she won the display of love contest by getting in the final surreptitious acquiescence by gifting him the red chair that he wanted.

i'm a bit fuzzy about who resides inside og cooper's body currently. the good dale went to the lodge, and was replaced by bob in og cooper's body. then the good dale inhabited/ got buried too deeply within dougie's body, while the spirit of dougie went poof. then bob exited og cooper's body, and is no longer with him. neither the good dale nor bob inhabit og cooper's body now, so who is he that's walking around doing all that awesomely heinous stuff?

really hoping there's some kind of dark crystal endgame between dougie and bad cooper to bring back the good dale in light of the upcoming great conjunction.

neither the good dale nor bob inhabit og cooper's body now, so who is he that's walking around doing all that awesomely heinous stuff?

he is cooper's doppleganger or shadow-self. i think bob's still in him, but i'm not entirely sure.

cooper is also imo not in dougie's body, they traded places at 2:53 (c.f. cooper is much thinner than dougie), cooper's just uh like wildly and metaphysically punch-drunk sorta? is how i see it.

it's a beautiful scene, she won by getting him to acquiesce as a display of his love for her by letting her have the beige chair and then she won the display of love contest by getting in the final surreptitious acquiescence by gifting him the red chair that he wanted.

important to note that Andy ultimately won the get the chair color that you want contest

Andy is truly a chess grandmaster.

xp yeah, Mr C is cooper's evil doppelgänger seen at the end of s2. The doppelgänger left the lodge with BOB, leaving the good Dale stuck (this is different from leland's situation where he was simply inhabited, which I guess is why people get so confused about this?).

It's unclear where BOB is now - we did see him being removed by the woodsmen but a lot of people assume he was put back in straight after and we just didn't see it. In either case he's the doppelgänger, with or without BOB. It's not cooper's body (remember the fingerprints); Cooper is in Cooper's body and always has been. I don't know where the "Cooper is in dougie's body" idea comes from, they made sure to show as clearly as possible dougie's body disappearing about a minute before Cooper comes out of the electrical socket. Plus, you know, if Cooper were in dougie's body he would, um, be in dougie's body. Which we saw, and it looks completely different.

I was looking at carel struycken's Wikipedia and apparently he's in the upcoming adaptation of Stephen King's gerald's game, the thriller about a woman stuck handcuffed to a bed after she accidentally kills her husband during roleplay - can only imagine it'll be something like this

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Twin_Peaks_S2E8_53.jpg

I read Gerald's game in my early teens, but from what I remember I can't imagine making a film/show of it.

The central idea is suitably panic-inducing but I remember it being quite bad. I feel like they'll have to take some liberties with the adaptation but then again I would never have said it was an adaptation that needed to happen so who knows?

I mostly remember the dog looking about, then eating the body, and the looming threat of it's (shared) hunger. Other than that it was hallucinations, right?

Hallucinations and repressed memories of childhood molestation (I didn't remember the dog)

a necrophiliac serial killer also drops in for a bit

rewatching inland empire, forgot about the brief use of brubeck, lol

I'm starting On The Air for the first time in over a decade.

http://i.imgur.com/8y4lMzUl.png
http://i.imgur.com/O99QnnNl.png
http://i.imgur.com/7lENcLDl.png

this show continues to be the best thing ever. extra excited for tonight cos numbers!

On the Air is probably the worst thing Lynch ever put his name on