Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

some interesting bits from a james marshall interview that also touches on the eternal questions of lynch's involvement in the original series and how it changed without his involvement:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-the-return-james-marshall-interview.html

I’ll start by asking a very important two-part question: Do you think James is cool? And has James always been cool?

[Laughs.] First of all, it’s a weird thing. The “cool” thing, I don’t know. I don’t think of myself that way or the character that way, thinking of yourself as tough. The tough guy. That’s other people’s opinions. The character is a lot like a James Dean–esque character, that’s kind of obvious. David and Mark back then were doing amalgamations of different icons within people on Twin Peaks. To me, Lara Flynn Boyle was a Natalie Wood mixed with Audrey Hepburn. Sherilyn Fenn was the classic siren mixed with Marilyn Monroe. My character was a James Dean mixed with a few other icons that David particularly liked. Very ’50s. In a nutshell, when David handles this show, my character gets handled much better.

What do you mean by that?

Back in the day in the first two seasons, we had a lot of different directors and a lot of different writers. And I wasn’t a strong enough actor. I didn’t really have the strength at the time as an actor to hold my own, so the character kind of went funny. Initially, these directors and writers stayed true to what the character was, but it still wasn’t handled right. It just wasn’t handled the way David would’ve handled it. He’s a very individual, very unique, signature person. It’s like having a Spielberg come up to direct, or to think of music, having a Hendrix come up and play. You’re not going to get another one and you’re not going to get someone to imitate him. So that was the whole situation with the first and second season. Now, this is pure David. It’s handled exactly how it should be.

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it's funny we both revived (well, if 3 hours after the last post counts as a revive) at the same time to talk about james! i should have excerpted this part, too:

Interviewer: I thought it was fitting that Shelly had a throwaway line earlier this season to vouch for James’s coolness.

Marshall: It really wrapped up the character in a subtle, simple way. An accident is mentioned — he had an accident. Shelly isn’t saying James has become “Fonzie cool,” what she’s saying, I think, is that he’s cool because he’s always had a straight line. Everyone has gone a little kooky, but James has always been a good guy and a good person who wants to do the right thing. It’s not like he’s a Pollyanna, but he’ll do the best he can. He’s a straight-up person and he wears his heart on his sleeve. I think a lot of people read it that way, too. There’s not a lot of time for each character — there’s so many people! So that’s what I think David was doing. To solidify what each character is, as quickly as he could, without taking too much time and doing too much exposition.

sorry to quote multiple times from the same interview (obv i'm reading through it as i post, like a dork, but it's actually worth reading in full. james marshall seems like a really good guy), but this sheds some interesting light on how the roadhouse performances were filmed:

I’m allowed to say this now, but this is the extent of how David operates: He had family members and best friends of the crew and the cast come in and do extra work. So he wasn’t calling casting agencies for more people. He wanted to be able to trust everyone, so nobody was getting on phones and recording it. I watched all of them, and pretty much everyone was straight-up. Nobody went online and said anything. Nobody posted stuff on social media. They were sitting there watching all of these different acts go on. David would rotate the audience, too, to freshen the scene up. I think, initially, the crowd kind of got my song, but I’m not sure. They were doing mass amounts of bands in one day on constant rotations. These people got to watch a bunch of bands play and just weren’t allowed to talk about it. Eddie Vedder and Nine Inch Nails definitely got the biggest kick, but again, all of these people were family and friends. They already knew the protocol. They weren’t hounding them or yelling about autographs. Everything was taken care of, David went through all measures to lock it up.

:-) James Marshall is cool and I hope his health improves. I heard an interview with him where he talked about his ideas about James's motorcycle adventures post-series and he said he always liked the idea that he was bisexual and that's why the last you hear of him is that postcard from San Francisco

Agree that lynch had the best handle on the character & was p much the only director to ever get a decent performance out of Marshall.

came across an interesting theory on the voice of phillip jeffries in some FB group: could the voice on the phone have been Albert? maybe there is something amiss with Albert.

lol is that because the phone voice was pitched down & distorted to disguise it and ferrer's voice just sounds like it is

Speaking of which, I find his voice quite hard to listen to in this, it's like he's struggling to get the words out sometimes - I wondered if this might be a symptom of his throat cancer but I think it might just be the way his voice aged (haven't really kept up with his career). Apparently nobody knew he was ill during filming.

Okay I looked it up and it's definitely the illness - around the time of filming a bunch of NCIS fans who had experience with throat cancer were speculating that he had the disease based on a sudden change in his voice :-(

that james interview is great. he's always been cool

Btw did hawk see something out at Glastonbury grove? He doesn't mention anything to anyone

― in a soylent whey (wins), Monday, 22 May 2017 12:13 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was never followed up on at all btw. I don't normally get hung up on these things but I'm starting to wonder if a couple of things might b slightly out of sync

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 10 July 2017 03:10 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wins I assume Hawk saw what Harry Truman saw the night Cooper went into the Lodge: the curtains appearing behind Sycamore Grove. It's implied that that entranceway only appears at certain times or on certain occasions so I think Hawk was just going out to check that the log's info was correct.
It certainly looks that way, but that's what I mean: the next time we see hawk he's following up on the first phone call only (something is missing), telling the sheriff "hey I got this one call from the log lady, might be nothing but her info's been good before"; you'd think from the sequence of events as we're shown them he'd also be like "oh and btw I got this other call about the stars turning and I went out to the woods and saw some magic red curtains", but he doesn't. It's a strange scene to have no consequence whatsoever.

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 10 July 2017 06:41 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just rewatched the first two parts - which holy shit btw, highly recommend doing this - and there is just no way that scene of him seeing the curtains is in sequence. He gets the call from the log lady asking what he's up to & says something like "your log & I are on the same page. Something's supposed to be happening tonight".

http://i.imgur.com/oRXL09J.jpg

Yeah, the last couple of parts have made it especially conspicuous that scenes are being presented out of chronological order, but I think it's already implicit in that scene, and explicit in Part Three, when Cooper's passage through the Glass Box is shown to take place while Sam and Tracy are meeting outside the room in Part One.

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Yeah, if anything those two examples seemed to be setting us up for this sort of thing to be more of an overt feature than it actually has so far in the rest of the series - just a few scenes shuffled around in an otherwise linear story since then

The furniture ordering scene with Andy and Lucy strikes me as more of a jab at marriage banality than contempt for the characters.

it's a beautiful scene, she won by getting him to acquiesce as a display of his love for her by letting her have the beige chair and then she won the display of love contest by getting in the final surreptitious acquiescence by gifting him the red chair that he wanted.

i'm a bit fuzzy about who resides inside og cooper's body currently. the good dale went to the lodge, and was replaced by bob in og cooper's body. then the good dale inhabited/ got buried too deeply within dougie's body, while the spirit of dougie went poof. then bob exited og cooper's body, and is no longer with him. neither the good dale nor bob inhabit og cooper's body now, so who is he that's walking around doing all that awesomely heinous stuff?

really hoping there's some kind of dark crystal endgame between dougie and bad cooper to bring back the good dale in light of the upcoming great conjunction.

neither the good dale nor bob inhabit og cooper's body now, so who is he that's walking around doing all that awesomely heinous stuff?

he is cooper's doppleganger or shadow-self. i think bob's still in him, but i'm not entirely sure.

cooper is also imo not in dougie's body, they traded places at 2:53 (c.f. cooper is much thinner than dougie), cooper's just uh like wildly and metaphysically punch-drunk sorta? is how i see it.

it's a beautiful scene, she won by getting him to acquiesce as a display of his love for her by letting her have the beige chair and then she won the display of love contest by getting in the final surreptitious acquiescence by gifting him the red chair that he wanted.

important to note that Andy ultimately won the get the chair color that you want contest

Andy is truly a chess grandmaster.

xp yeah, Mr C is cooper's evil doppelgänger seen at the end of s2. The doppelgänger left the lodge with BOB, leaving the good Dale stuck (this is different from leland's situation where he was simply inhabited, which I guess is why people get so confused about this?).

It's unclear where BOB is now - we did see him being removed by the woodsmen but a lot of people assume he was put back in straight after and we just didn't see it. In either case he's the doppelgänger, with or without BOB. It's not cooper's body (remember the fingerprints); Cooper is in Cooper's body and always has been. I don't know where the "Cooper is in dougie's body" idea comes from, they made sure to show as clearly as possible dougie's body disappearing about a minute before Cooper comes out of the electrical socket. Plus, you know, if Cooper were in dougie's body he would, um, be in dougie's body. Which we saw, and it looks completely different.

I was looking at carel struycken's Wikipedia and apparently he's in the upcoming adaptation of Stephen King's gerald's game, the thriller about a woman stuck handcuffed to a bed after she accidentally kills her husband during roleplay - can only imagine it'll be something like this

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Twin_Peaks_S2E8_53.jpg

I read Gerald's game in my early teens, but from what I remember I can't imagine making a film/show of it.

The central idea is suitably panic-inducing but I remember it being quite bad. I feel like they'll have to take some liberties with the adaptation but then again I would never have said it was an adaptation that needed to happen so who knows?

I mostly remember the dog looking about, then eating the body, and the looming threat of it's (shared) hunger. Other than that it was hallucinations, right?

Hallucinations and repressed memories of childhood molestation (I didn't remember the dog)

a necrophiliac serial killer also drops in for a bit

rewatching inland empire, forgot about the brief use of brubeck, lol

I'm starting On The Air for the first time in over a decade.

http://i.imgur.com/8y4lMzUl.png
http://i.imgur.com/O99QnnNl.png
http://i.imgur.com/7lENcLDl.png

this show continues to be the best thing ever. extra excited for tonight cos numbers!

On the Air is probably the worst thing Lynch ever put his name on

yeah it's mostly crappy

Is noted TP spoiler-complainer Adam Bruneau - who I sided with on the p4k thread - now spoiling TP on here?

That's more a speculative prediction than a spoiler, though. At this point, I've accepted that Cooper's return to the world is the story Lynch and Frost are telling, so my own hunch is that Cooper will remain a holy fool until he meets Mr C in the final episodes. I'm ready to be proven wrong, though!

I really hope Audrey gets to leave that room tonight.

Just realized i am not going to be able to watch the finale when it airs :(

@one way street: It was mostly challops from me (I trust Adam knows that) but at this point "cos numbers" already reads like a spoiler to me, lifted from some trailer or Showtime thumbnail or whatever. Do not want to read or see that. Mr. C and Coop showdown however, Lynchian style, bring it on.

Shakey, whole season I have to deal with the time difference and not being able to see the new episodes before Monday night. Wish I could offer words of consolation, but avoiding this thread on Monday morning at work alone has proven to be a fucking annoying nuisance. You're not alone though, all I'm saying.

I mean, I think those are all frames from Part Three...

The delay does sound frustrating, though.

every girl crazy bout a sharp dressed man

uh holy shit, I have been insanely skeptical of every “Coop is coming back” theory but... what he heard on the television... and he paused it.. and..
the outlet?

what a cliffhanger!

rip dougie

ok but seriously what an episode i cried twice???

what was it that he heard on TV that made him react? (that was Sunset Boulevard, right?)

"gordon cole!" i assume

oh, I missed that!

full body sobs at the ed/norma kiss. otis redding perfect music choice

Killer episode ( no pun intended) though the Audrey stuff just feels like bad high school theatre at this point. Other than that ... absolutely great.

Yeah I teared up at Margaret Lanterman's big scene

It was “Get me Gordon Cole” or something to that effect

when he didn’t even fumble at pausing the television and had that facial reaction, and then heard the electrical humming and....

then again, we might see him next in the hospital waking up, with Janey hovering over him, hard to say

ok but seriously what an episode i cried twice???

me too, Norma & Ed kissing to Otis Redding did me in.

"In Memory of Margaret Lanterman"

had the same reaction as maura, I was nearly heartbroken, but then when Norma’s first point of conversation was selling her stake... so happy

yeah margaret's big scene made me cry also