Judy Sheindlin funds the glass box
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
so the coordinates Mr. C has so desperately been after were for the convenience store...?
like Karl, I have been steadfastly ignoring all the numerology in this lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
No, he already knew where the convenience store was
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
I thought that the woman who opens the door for bad Cooper was maybe the scary person from Mulholland Drive but it's a guy called Malachy Sreenan.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link
this is what it seemed like to me
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
He asked Ray for the coordinates & then asked him where Jeffries was, a separate question. Ray said "the Dutchman's" & he was like ah cool I know that place, went to see Jeffries, now is going to the coordinates imo
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
...which are surely for somewhere in twin peaks
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
ah
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
I was confused cuz yeah I was like "wait why wouldn't Booper know where the convenience store is"
maybe it moves around in space and time
― mh, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
We saw it move. So yes probably.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
The Matrix phone move was lame.
I thought it was great. He's still demanding answers, and ends up answering the phone only for it to boot him out of the room!
― mh, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
But it was the same shit from the Matrix
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
I didn't make that connection at all
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
i know it's been mentioned 1000x on this thread but the sound during the conversation between evil coop and jeffries was amazing. all of the looping, heaving, mechanical wheezings. when the phone ringing was added to the mix it racketed up the tension to unbelievable levels.
such a good headphone show.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 August 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Kinda disappointing that Evil Cooper doesn't seem to have any more insight into the plot than I do
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
anyone have any thoughts on what/where jeffries is now? or what he is?
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
beyond just "he's in the black lodge" i guess
Has it ever been mentioned what case Jeffries was investigating when he disappeared the first time?
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Jeffries is now the Water, and that teapot is the Well
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I practice #TM twice a day in almost 43 years, I think of meditating as bringing in the gold & saying goodbye to the garbage. #DavidLynch pic.twitter.com/GKsaOdHywe— DavidLynchFoundation (@LynchFoundation) August 21, 2017
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 21 August 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
dig yourself out of the shit
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
― sciatica, Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://abovethestore.blogspot.com/2009/04/judy-judy-judy.html
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
Kyle's looped body language in the scene where he's clicking the remote was some fine acting
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
we are all judy
― mh, Monday, 21 August 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
that link old lunch posted is very good
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 August 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
That blog is packed with all sorts of excellent speculative material. I read through pretty much the entire thing leading up to The Return.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
xxxxxxxp?
I also suspect that Judy is Laura.
1) Given that Laura plays such a predominant role in the reaction to the nuclear blast, it seems that she would be worth searching for.
2) Since we have other characters who sort of have many names (Leland = Bob), it wouldn't be unusual for Laura to have one. Again, especially because she seems to have some sort of cosmic significance. (Maybe Judy is the good version of Bob?)
3) Cooper perhaps has met Judy/Laura: in the waiting room or in his dreams or whatever.
4) Finally given that movie references have been brought to the forefront (e.g., Sunset Boulevard), the Madeleine vs. Judy thing from Vertigo seems more compelling. But that's all speculation.
― Pataphysician, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link
i like that the entire jeffries dialogue puts bad cooper in a position traditionally inhabited by good cooper in the original series
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
I was thinking maybe Susan Palmer or whatever's inhabiting her might be Judy.
― devvvine, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
anyone else get guild navigator vibez from jeffries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqdE1NdMTg
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
and the Judy Garland Briggs thing kinda jives seeing that Wizard of Oz is such a huge thing in FWWM
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Movie references seem like more stable anchors in TP than anything else.
That is a good blog post (ty OL) but as the author admits Lynch just makes this shit up and revises as he goes along, seems like it'd be maddening to try to take any kind of scholarly approach to this stuff.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, that's a fool's errand, for sure. I read a very good essay which laid out a case for the Deer Meadow sequence/return of Phillip Jeffries in FWWM being a 'dream' (or whatever one might call those Lynchian sequences which are not meant to represent anything resembling objective reality), based largely on the original shooting script and what was subsequently altered after MacLachlan limited his participation in the film. It was all very convincing, but that whole theory has been pretty much demolished by events in The Return.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Rewatched 1st few scenes
Nadine crying out "I'M FINE NOW!" with manic intensity while holding a golden shit-shovel over her shoulder, Ed's like "lol seems legit"
Wonder how many more times we're gonna get that threnody needle drop
Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting, like Mr C taking out the pen & pad. Also when he asks if Jeffries called him 5 days ago, it's just funny to have a giant percolator say "ah don't have yoah numbah"
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
xp that theory is from John Thorne, wrapped in plastic creator & author of that same blog
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
Accepting that there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously, do we have a peg on a general timeline for The Return? I was a little taken aback when Booper indicated that only five days had elapsed since the season started, but maybe that shakes out.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
How many duplicate character names are there and is there much significance to them?
3 Bobs (evil Bob, Bobby Briggs and Bob the vet)2 Mikes (one armed man, Bobby's friend) 2 Dougies (old guy who died in season 2, Dougie Jones)
Any more?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
I lol'd at the reminder that this entire show has m/l taken place over 5 days
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link
If interested, here is our draft timeline of #TwinPeaks events. Updated after each part. Not definitive, certainly has errors etc. 🍒🥧☕️ pic.twitter.com/NtLxbTmqM0— TimeForCakesAndAle (@TFCAA) August 19, 2017
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
Fantastic, thank you!
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
How many duplicate character names are there
A shitload
and is there much significance to them?
I doubt it beyond like ~duality~
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
There are four Bills in the return alone, two candies, two betties, and so on
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting
I'm a *little* disappointed they didn't continue the cod Southerner thing (bad accent, white suit) in Jeffries' noncorporeal form and instead made him a reprensentative of Northern Industry.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously
i'm still not 100% sold that this is the case. the opening scene with cooper in the black lodge talking to the giant seems like the most obvious candidate for being out of place time-wise, but beyond that i don't really know of any "proof" that the las vegas stuff, for example, is taking place earlier, for example. i think it's possible, but i'm not buying it as a given yet.
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
I also laughed thinking about my previous assumption that Jeffries was the one who slipped Ray the gun "dressed as a guard", I pictured a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform. Then I remembered Ray was dealing with an imposter Jeffries, and I laughed even more at the image of a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform with a false moustache.
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
xp well mr c sends a text in this ep that Diane received like 6 episodes ago so there is some of that going on for sure
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Rewatched Lost Highway recently and found it funny that about half of the character names were just reused from TP. I bet Lynch is annoyed that he has to make up names for characters and just half asses it.
First 40 or so mins of that is easily one of the best things he's done btw, and the rest wasn't as bad as I remembered.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
ok i am incapable of remembering all this stuff but i thought we had already seen bad cooper text diane about las vegas before, and that when we saw it in this episode he was checking in again on the same issue
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link