Come anticipate (I guess?) Christopher Nolan's Batman/One Direction prequel DUNKIRK oh wait I have that wrong

You might be able to say the Graun piece wasn't balanced with some justification or whatever, but considering grisly events, like the fate of the Senegalese Tirailleurs massacred by the Nazis after the breaking of the Maginot Line , and just the general whiteness of all WW2 films. I can understand the anger behind it and how some find this shite Nolan film, distasteful in other ways.

can I go back time-delay my post so that it's less poorly-timed

How does the general whiteness of WW2 films make the anger at this one more understandable? The fact that the anger could be leveled at pretty much every other film in the genre, and often with a lot more reason, only makes it more hypocritical for me. Yeah, someone should make a film about the Senegalese Tirailleurs, and about the colonial Indian regiments on the beach, but that is not what Dunkirk is about. And come on, nobody mad at the film is thinking about the Tirailleurs. They just want to shit on Nolan and use any excuse they can find.

The whiteness of this film didn't bother me at all. The clamor and having to listen to Kenneth Branagh did.

lol, sorry I'm not having a go at you or Veg. But Fuck this movie and Nolan. My fave war movie is Paths Of Glory - which is all white, but without the triumphalism that infects this pile of shit.

The whiteness of this film didn't bother me at all. The clamor and having to listen to Kenneth Branagh's crypto-Churchillisms did.

calzino, you must really hate almost every war movie? I mean, 'triumphalism'? Dunkirk ends with a dirge-like rendition of funeral music, and one of the heroes being captured by Germans after setting his own plane on fire. It's hardly Rambo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpvEgJEn94

my prior: if your movie includes nimrod and approvingly quotes churchill i'm going to assume it's racist unless proven otherwise. so, while a few black soldiers in a cast of a few hundred is not of itself a problem, in the context of what the film is about it is, even if it's statistically accurate or whatever.

also nolan is an unbelievably bad filmmaker.

That's in and of itself an incredibly dumb prior. Churchill happened to deliver a very famous speech about Dunkirk, which is used. No 'approvingly'.

that dirge-like rendition of funeral music is a variation (ha) on nimrod. there's not a more patriotic piece of music.

perhaps your interpretation of his intent in quoting churchill (while nimrod, a theme you didn't notice, plays) is different to mine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lol. Deer Hunter ends with the cast singing 'God Bless America'. What a triumphalist piece of crap, huh?

And of course I noticed Nimrod. Which is used at funerals and memorial services.

lol

The BBC did a 2004 Dunkirk mini-series with the very good actor bloke who plays Beria in the forthcoming Death of Stalin, playing Churchill. That was much better than Nolan's, because it included Nazi's executing captured British and British shooting their own for cowardice. And it actually gave you a sense of the scale of the operation and the horrors of the dying wounded being left behind.

Fred do you happen to live in the same country as the conservative party from calzino's country who have been singing this movie's praises to the heavens since it was released?

oh nevermind you're an idiot

Someone bring this dysfunctional family together

Lol. Deer Hunter ends with the cast singing 'God Bless America'. What a triumphalist piece of crap, huh?

― Frederik B, Monday, August 21, 2017 7:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And of course I noticed Nimrod. Which is used at funerals and memorial services.

― Frederik B, Monday, August 21, 2017 7:45 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am standing and applauding

when do we get our Fred & Morbs Hate You For Hating Mediocre Movies podcast, with a 10 minute politics break in the middle

Yeah, clearly no better argument against triumphant nationalism than shitting on someone for not being British. For fucks sake.

The movie does not become shitty because tories like it. They're idiots. Reagan liked Born in the USA.

Guys. Show go on!

There were hardly any colonial troops on the beaches at Dunkirk, at least up until the events depicted in the movie. The BEF was almost entirely English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish, though there were four companies of unarmed Indian Muslim mule handlers, three evacuated (a few hundred men). The French initially opposed the evacuation and mostly evacuated after the BEF, after the events of the film. As far as I can tell, only one major French unit at Dunkirk was colonial, the 8th Zouaves regiment, of Algerians of European descent.

I have seen you posting very authoritative sounding bollocks before San, what are your sources here?

lol

I know for a fact there were numbers of Indian and African troops present, cos some book I read.

― calzino, 22. august 2017 00:53 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo if you hated nolan before youre prob going to hate him more

the clamor is necessary for tension, for immediacy... but i expect clamor in a movie like that. you can't have torpedos and air strikes without the aural terror
that goes with it.

imo the simplicity of the storytelling was a way to explore the whole via a very narrow view - the narrow view obv leaves out a lot, and i realize that nolan's choices of who then tells the story, and who he wants us to see is telling. but in and of itself it's a good story. idk.

it's imo sort of pointless to make Nolan the punching bag bcz he didnt make the movie you personally wanted to see. We all knew he was never going to make that movie. He's Whitey Whitington from White-On-Whiting! This is a movie from the Keegan-type historian hit parade, designed to make men who smoke pipes in tweed jackets misty-eyed. Yes there's been a thousand of those movies. Maybe we don't need more? But this IS a really good movie within that very expected and very done-over genre.

imo

and the planes were fucking cool as fuck

I feel where you're coming from with that, kinda, but he even whiffed making a "simple" film with all that timeline fuckery. I have no idea what on earth he was thinking with that.

it was kinda cool imo! i liked seeong the timelines intersect esp towards the end it made the tension more palpable for me imo

Calzino, you can read about the four companies of Royal Indian Army Service Corps here. I went through the order of battle for the French units involved in the defense of the perimeter on French wikipedia. Were there possibly some other colonials present amongst the French Army? Yes, but in units smaller than that ~3000 strong Zouaves regiment, perhaps serving logistics roles like the RIASC companies.

Update, elements of the 1st Moroccan Division were among the French troops evacuated June 2-5, before being landed at Brest to continue the fight. The 2e division d'infanterie nord-africaine also fought on the perimeter before being captured with others at [Poche de Lille](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poche_de_Lille), 60 km to the south.

I feel where you're coming from with that, kinda, but he even whiffed making a "simple" film with all that timeline fuckery. I have no idea what on earth he was thinking with that.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 22. august 2017 03:43 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's stupid. A film can be simple in scope while complex in form. And the wonderful timeline fuckery does allow him to narrow it down, to have three plotstrands converge on just one moment.

"i noticed you did a thing"
"yes, i did"
"i guess that's good then"

that really works for every nolan film doesn't it. close thread please

maybe

"i noticed you did a thing"
"what a smart boy you are! let me ruffle your hair"
"this... this is a modern classic..."

I didn't mean to sound rude San. But once I quoted something from a painstakingly researched economic history of Nazi era Germany by Tooze, and it questioned some of the received wisdom that you get on wikipedia, on that era. And you tried to rubbish it by quoting blocks of wikipedia, I'm just saying your sources on history are not up there with your science posts.

Wargamers/armchair generals are really meticulous with orders of battle and the like, and seem to be the ones responsible for the French Wiki, which covers the battles of 1940 in far greater detail than English wiki does. One can drill down the French OoB here for regimental subcommands and battle histories, to a much greater extent than I've seen with US and UK OoBs on English Wiki (where the Soviet OoB is a horrible mess).

Dunkirk is amazingly a Nolan movie, on so many plans and with so many details that I do not have to flush the surprises.

dying

fred can you write all your posts in danish filtered thru google translate? thx

Wait, what do you think I've been doing until now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod#Idiom

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Green_Day_-_Nimrod_cover.jpg

not that i couldn't suspend disbelief but virtually every actor cast in this was gorgeous, looked like a Ralph Lauren advert or something; seas of perfectly coiffed, thick black hair and razor-sharp jawlines

i couldn't tell one floppy haired muscle faced twerp from another.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2062471345_d821c3e87b.jpg

Maybe there was a golden age for British handsomeness.

yeah god not even a blonde or a ginger in sight on the beach there, army of brown haired abercrombie models

god that french kid aka Gibson was gorgeous

good god, this thread is full of vitriol. this movie is fucking beautiful... kinda felt like The Master, Bridge of Spies, and The Thin Red Line (w/o the monologues). Not a huge fan of Nolan - loved The Prestige, and this was just gorgeous. Why all the hate? it wasn't accurate enough?

For a start the jingoism is unbearable, and some of Mail/Express cheerleaders for this garbage made it easier to hate. The sense of scale is all wrong as well, it should be subtitled 100 people on a beach.

I mean there are lots of old jingoist war films from that era that I like. But Nolan doing BE nostalgia in '17 makes me want the Nazis to develop a nuke.

wait this is based on a true story?