Lol. Deer Hunter ends with the cast singing 'God Bless America'. What a triumphalist piece of crap, huh?
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 August 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
And of course I noticed Nimrod. Which is used at funerals and memorial services.
lol
― š¯” š¯”˛š¯”¢š¯”Ø (caek), Monday, 21 August 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
The BBC did a 2004 Dunkirk mini-series with the very good actor bloke who plays Beria in the forthcoming Death of Stalin, playing Churchill. That was much better than Nolan's, because it included Nazi's executing captured British and British shooting their own for cowardice. And it actually gave you a sense of the scale of the operation and the horrors of the dying wounded being left behind.
― calzino, Monday, 21 August 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
Fred do you happen to live in the same country as the conservative party from calzino's country who have been singing this movie's praises to the heavens since it was released?
oh nevermind you're an idiot
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 August 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
Someone bring this dysfunctional family together
― Neanderthal, Monday, 21 August 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
ā€• Frederik B, Monday, August 21, 2017 7:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ā€• Frederik B, Monday, August 21, 2017 7:45 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i am standing and applauding
― š¯” š¯”˛š¯”¢š¯”Ø (caek), Monday, 21 August 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
when do we get our Fred & Morbs Hate You For Hating Mediocre Movies podcast, with a 10 minute politics break in the middle
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Monday, 21 August 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
Yeah, clearly no better argument against triumphant nationalism than shitting on someone for not being British. For fucks sake.
The movie does not become shitty because tories like it. They're idiots. Reagan liked Born in the USA.
― Frederik B, Monday, 21 August 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
Guys. Show go on!
― Neanderthal, Monday, 21 August 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link
There were hardly any colonial troops on the beaches at Dunkirk, at least up until the events depicted in the movie. The BEF was almost entirely English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish, though there were four companies of unarmed Indian Muslim mule handlers, three evacuated (a few hundred men). The French initially opposed the evacuation and mostly evacuated after the BEF, after the events of the film. As far as I can tell, only one major French unit at Dunkirk was colonial, the 8th Zouaves regiment, of Algerians of European descent.
― tactical piƱata (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
I have seen you posting very authoritative sounding bollocks before San, what are your sources here?
― calzino, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:12 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
I know for a fact there were numbers of Indian and African troops present, cos some book I read.
ā€• calzino, 22. august 2017 00:53 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
imo if you hated nolan before youre prob going to hate him more
the clamor is necessary for tension, for immediacy... but i expect clamor in a movie like that. you can't have torpedos and air strikes without the aural terror that goes with it.
imo the simplicity of the storytelling was a way to explore the whole via a very narrow view - the narrow view obv leaves out a lot, and i realize that nolan's choices of who then tells the story, and who he wants us to see is telling. but in and of itself it's a good story. idk.
it's imo sort of pointless to make Nolan the punching bag bcz he didnt make the movie you personally wanted to see. We all knew he was never going to make that movie. He's Whitey Whitington from White-On-Whiting! This is a movie from the Keegan-type historian hit parade, designed to make men who smoke pipes in tweed jackets misty-eyed. Yes there's been a thousand of those movies. Maybe we don't need more? But this IS a really good movie within that very expected and very done-over genre.
imo
and the planes were fucking cool as fuck
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link
I feel where you're coming from with that, kinda, but he even whiffed making a "simple" film with all that timeline fuckery. I have no idea what on earth he was thinking with that.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link
it was kinda cool imo! i liked seeong the timelines intersect esp towards the end it made the tension more palpable for me imo
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
Calzino, you can read about the four companies of Royal Indian Army Service Corps here. I went through the order of battle for the French units involved in the defense of the perimeter on French wikipedia. Were there possibly some other colonials present amongst the French Army? Yes, but in units smaller than that ~3000 strong Zouaves regiment, perhaps serving logistics roles like the RIASC companies.
― tactical piƱata (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:05 (six years ago) link
Update, elements of the 1st Moroccan Division were among the French troops evacuated June 2-5, before being landed at Brest to continue the fight. The 2e division d'infanterie nord-africaine also fought on the perimeter before being captured with others at [Poche de Lille](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poche_de_Lille), 60 km to the south.
― tactical piƱata (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link
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That's stupid. A film can be simple in scope while complex in form. And the wonderful timeline fuckery does allow him to narrow it down, to have three plotstrands converge on just one moment.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:03 (six years ago) link
"i noticed you did a thing""yes, i did""i guess that's good then"
― qualx, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:08 (six years ago) link
that really works for every nolan film doesn't it. close thread please
― qualx, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:10 (six years ago) link
maybe
"i noticed you did a thing""what a smart boy you are! let me ruffle your hair""this... this is a modern classic..."
― qualx, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:12 (six years ago) link
I didn't mean to sound rude San. But once I quoted something from a painstakingly researched economic history of Nazi era Germany by Tooze, and it questioned some of the received wisdom that you get on wikipedia, on that era. And you tried to rubbish it by quoting blocks of wikipedia, I'm just saying your sources on history are not up there with your science posts.
― calzino, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 08:21 (six years ago) link
Wargamers/armchair generals are really meticulous with orders of battle and the like, and seem to be the ones responsible for the French Wiki, which covers the battles of 1940 in far greater detail than English wiki does. One can drill down the French OoB here for regimental subcommands and battle histories, to a much greater extent than I've seen with US and UK OoBs on English Wiki (where the Soviet OoB is a horrible mess).
― tactical piƱata (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
Dunkirk is amazingly a Nolan movie, on so many plans and with so many details that I do not have to flush the surprises.
dying
― flopson, Friday, 25 August 2017 06:13 (six years ago) link
fred can you write all your posts in danish filtered thru google translate? thx
― flopson, Friday, 25 August 2017 06:14 (six years ago) link
Wait, what do you think I've been doing until now?
― Frederik B, Friday, 25 August 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod#Idiom
― mark s, Friday, 25 August 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Green_Day_-_Nimrod_cover.jpg
― flopson, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
not that i couldn't suspend disbelief but virtually every actor cast in this was gorgeous, looked like a Ralph Lauren advert or something; seas of perfectly coiffed, thick black hair and razor-sharp jawlines
― flopson, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
i couldn't tell one floppy haired muscle faced twerp from another.
― angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2062471345_d821c3e87b.jpg
Maybe there was a golden age for British handsomeness.
― tactical piƱata (Sanpaku), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
yeah god not even a blonde or a ginger in sight on the beach there, army of brown haired abercrombie models
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
god that french kid aka Gibson was gorgeous
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
good god, this thread is full of vitriol. this movie is fucking beautiful... kinda felt like The Master, Bridge of Spies, and The Thin Red Line (w/o the monologues). Not a huge fan of Nolan - loved The Prestige, and this was just gorgeous. Why all the hate? it wasn't accurate enough?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:45 (six years ago) link
For a start the jingoism is unbearable, and some of Mail/Express cheerleaders for this garbage made it easier to hate. The sense of scale is all wrong as well, it should be subtitled 100 people on a beach.
― calzino, Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:01 (six years ago) link
I mean there are lots of old jingoist war films from that era that I like. But Nolan doing BE nostalgia in '17 makes me want the Nazis to develop a nuke.
― calzino, Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:10 (six years ago) link
wait this is based on a true story?
― a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:21 (six years ago) link
yeah, a classic good vs evil story. I wasn't expecting something to better Rossellini's War Trilogy from a clown like Nolan. But even taken as a basic action movie, this is very poor imo.
― calzino, Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:37 (six years ago) link
love2Churchill
― a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 December 2017 09:43 (six years ago) link
The sense of scale is all wrong as well, it should be subtitled 100 people on a beach.ā€• calzino
ā€• calzino
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
also, Mail/Express cheerleaders? not sure what you're referring to exactly.. (my apology)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:14 (six years ago) link
these are right-wing tabloids in britain that loved the film's alleged jingoism
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
glad to see the pure cinema minimalist Nolan doesn't need special fx, stop it lol!
― calzino, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
One of my favourite war movies evokes the Western Front without casts of thousands or CGI. But this just does look like 100 actors pissing about on a beach at the best of times. Atonement isn't a particularly great movie but it's Dunkirk evacuation scenes are least evocative, CGI and all.
― calzino, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
This was good twouldnt make me take the soup or anything
The bit where branagh looked through his binoculars to see already clearly visible and anticipated boats just so he could say "heaume" was shit
The rest was good
― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
"This was good twouldnt make me take the soup or anything"
fucking puddle watter has more nutrients than Nolan soup.
― calzino, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:12 (six years ago) link
Ah now of all ilxors not to get a historical reference
― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Monday, 29 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
I'm just talking bout Nolan here, y'know. I do get BE imperialism and the famine etc..
― calzino, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link