They're definitely going to resolve some of this.
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:03 (six years ago) link
What's the deal with Ed's hairdo? is the big one that needs addressed.
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link
Ed's a big richard Spencer fan
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:13 (six years ago) link
I remembered the other big one: the identity of not-Jeffries. I guess I can see why people are saying Albert, because there are so few candidates among characters we know, he's had dealings with Jeffries & acted shifty at points this season, is the only blue rose agent who hasn't been taken to the lodge (he claims!) - but I don't buy it. Albert is a naysayer and hatchet man in the fight against violence and will be with Constance, not BOB.
The really obvious answer is the other Philip aka MIKE, as a known antagonist of mr c who has been "with BOB" before. Feels a little too neat tho so who the fuck knows. If it turns out to be windom fucking earle I'll kick my tv in lol
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
until further notice i assume that earle's soul was utterly annihilated by the lodge
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link
Even given further notice I'll choose to believe that
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:29 (six years ago) link
I still wonder if MIKE is walking around with a new host (the person who made the phone call), and Philip Gerard is simply trapped in the Lodge, like Leland.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
That's one of the original show mysteries that I'd still like Lynch to untangle. BOB is shown as this discrete entity who possesses or rides other discrete entities, so I have to wonder if we've ever actually seen MIKE (as opposed to just his usual host).
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link
I'm still curious why Cole had that vision of Laura crying a few episodes ago
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
What are the other lingering plot threads we might get resolved from the original series? Ed and Norma getting back together was pretty great.
Contemporary mysteries: Who is Richard's dad (did he just get sucker-punched by his dad?), is Ray in the lodge since he died wearing the ring, who the hell is Judy
― mh, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
I wonder if Chris Isaak will turn up at any point.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
Which of the Roadhouse denizens is the adult version of Little Nicky? When will John Justice Wheeler swoop in to rescue Audrey from her domestic nightmare? Who will win this year's Miss Twin Peaks competition?
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
i'm assuming Richard's dad is Evil Cooper yeah
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
I had never thought of Albert as being "bad" or whatever, but that would explain why Gordon had that vision right before he opened the door for Albert
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
Who will win this year's Miss Twin Peaks competition?
Given that she's been in town for five minutes, the smart money is on Naido
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
Albert's confession to Gordon in episode 4 about helping Jeffries and getting a contact in Columbia killed seems like it would be a huge deal in the real FBI, but Gordon moved on pretty quickly to the Blue Rose stuff.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
C'mon, Albert's not evil, jeez
― Moodles, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
I don't think we'll see any surprise cameos from ppl not on the cast list. It is kinda funny that the disappearances of Cooper & Jeffries are a huge deal in this world, but Desmond also disappeared and nobody gives a shit
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
Richard Horne's parentage, paternal and maternal, has never been a mystery
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
yeah it is weird that Desmond is persona non grata
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
It's especially weird inasmuch as the essay I alluded to yesterday made a convincing case that Desmond was basically a 'dream' analogue of Cooper (as it was established in the original series that Cooper had actually been the lead in the Teresa Banks investigation). Lynch could have chosen to leave him unmentioned in The Return (which would have lent credence to that theory) but by bringing him up and not addressing his disappearance as a mystery in need of solving...I'm not sure what the angle is. Unless Desmond winds up being yet another tea kettle existing in an extranormal space.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
my prediction is that some mysteries will be solved and others will not
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
Agree
xp I like to think frost threw in the Desmond mention just to fuck with that dream theory
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
He's a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
i'm psyched that there is now one degree of separation between two of my favorite aesthetic worlds, Twin Peaks and Shriekback (Veils leader is Barry Andrews' son and though I didn't really like their song, I noted it was titled 'Axolotl' which is a very fucking Shriekback song title)
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
i liked the veils song but once again regretted having the captions on, allowing me to see the song's terrible lyrics (same thing happened with nine inch nails)
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
are Shriekback really into Cortazar or something
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
feel certain that david bowie's transfiguration into a percolator is a deep and important callback to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxNP-1VpjE
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
are you saying that jeffries is a fish now
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
I thought all Britishes turned into teakettles when they died
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:32 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
amphibians, aquatic lifeforms, species with bizarre ontogenies, all v shriekback themes
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
The ring makes people disappear, and Desmond was one of them, beyond that I don't think it matters much where he went, he was just an off-brand Dale Cooper.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:11 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:11 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"The Whisperer in Darkness" tells us that things aren't always what they seem in such cases
― Dancing on the Pylons, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
It's suggested, but not confirmed, that Jeffries found the ring before disappearing; Cooper definitely didn't, and none of the other people who wore the ring - Theresa, Laura, MIKE, Annie, lol Nixon - disappeared as a result.
I agree with the wider point about it not mattering - nobody cares cause lynch & frost don't care - but I still find it funny, as I do the fact that Norma doesn't care about her sister being kidnapped
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
c'mon last episode just established that Norma doesn't have any family lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
Norma has a wonderful family
You know, Ed and Shelly and Becky and Heidi and Toad and the guy who yelled out "hot DAMN this pie is good" in the original series. Yep, a wonderful family. That's what's important to Norma: *extremely vin diesel voice* family
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
I'd love a scene of Norma at Miriam's hospital bedside tearfully declaring "you're like the sister I never had"
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:21 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM!
― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
did albert mention chet when talking to tammy? I can't remember.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Yeah
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
Also worth noting that the Missing Pieces (to the extent that they are 'canon') pretty decisively deep six the Deer Meadow dream theory (largely because said theory was supported largely by what Lynch had omitted from/altered in FWWM) and feature, for instance, Cooper discussing Desmond's disappearance with Sam Stanley.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
well Desmond was kind of a prick, who would want him back
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
I don't know if Jeffries wound up in the Black Lodge because he came into possession of the ring, but it does seem as if his phone has a little ring.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
xp I mean Albert's a prick too but I feel like they'd bother looking for him if he were gone (dgmw I know chet's no Albert)
I could be fuzzy on the ins & outs of the dream theory but my understanding is that those missing pieces scenes would also be part of the dream?
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
One of my favorite things about this is how many scenes we've had that are odd and unsettling and sometimes funny whose relationship to the whole is a bit mysterious and elliptical. That's such a rarity in tv, and these brief bits that are more than "set pieces", that have their own internal weird logic that lasts for the length of the scene, are Lynch at his best imo.
So there's lots of stuff still unresolved that I'm actively hoping does not get resolved.
And (unrelated) since Mr. C seems committed to murdering his former helpers I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death, easily my least favorite performance of the 200 or so so far.
― sciatica, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.
the more I think about it the more this seems otm, right down to the steam/smoke-blown numbers, which is very: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FvJ6LGDsUHG5RS%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
Yeah I'm not into Roth at all. I could live without the hutches in general tbh, much as I love jjl. Someone upthread said their scene this ep was like an ott Tarantino riff, to me that describes all their scenes
xps
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
" I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death"
at some point tim roth became an unbearable actor to me, I don't know when.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link