I had never thought of Albert as being "bad" or whatever, but that would explain why Gordon had that vision right before he opened the door for Albert
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
Who will win this year's Miss Twin Peaks competition?
Given that she's been in town for five minutes, the smart money is on Naido
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
Albert's confession to Gordon in episode 4 about helping Jeffries and getting a contact in Columbia killed seems like it would be a huge deal in the real FBI, but Gordon moved on pretty quickly to the Blue Rose stuff.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
C'mon, Albert's not evil, jeez
― Moodles, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
I wonder if Chris Isaak will turn up at any point.
I don't think we'll see any surprise cameos from ppl not on the cast list. It is kinda funny that the disappearances of Cooper & Jeffries are a huge deal in this world, but Desmond also disappeared and nobody gives a shit
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
Richard Horne's parentage, paternal and maternal, has never been a mystery
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
yeah it is weird that Desmond is persona non grata
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
It's especially weird inasmuch as the essay I alluded to yesterday made a convincing case that Desmond was basically a 'dream' analogue of Cooper (as it was established in the original series that Cooper had actually been the lead in the Teresa Banks investigation). Lynch could have chosen to leave him unmentioned in The Return (which would have lent credence to that theory) but by bringing him up and not addressing his disappearance as a mystery in need of solving...I'm not sure what the angle is. Unless Desmond winds up being yet another tea kettle existing in an extranormal space.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
my prediction is that some mysteries will be solved and others will not
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
Agree
xp I like to think frost threw in the Desmond mention just to fuck with that dream theory
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
He's a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
i'm psyched that there is now one degree of separation between two of my favorite aesthetic worlds, Twin Peaks and Shriekback (Veils leader is Barry Andrews' son and though I didn't really like their song, I noted it was titled 'Axolotl' which is a very fucking Shriekback song title)
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
i liked the veils song but once again regretted having the captions on, allowing me to see the song's terrible lyrics (same thing happened with nine inch nails)
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
are Shriekback really into Cortazar or something
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
feel certain that david bowie's transfiguration into a percolator is a deep and important callback to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxNP-1VpjE
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
are you saying that jeffries is a fish now
― na (NA), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
I thought all Britishes turned into teakettles when they died
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:32 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
amphibians, aquatic lifeforms, species with bizarre ontogenies, all v shriekback themes
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
The ring makes people disappear, and Desmond was one of them, beyond that I don't think it matters much where he went, he was just an off-brand Dale Cooper.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:11 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:11 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"The Whisperer in Darkness" tells us that things aren't always what they seem in such cases
― Dancing on the Pylons, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
It's suggested, but not confirmed, that Jeffries found the ring before disappearing; Cooper definitely didn't, and none of the other people who wore the ring - Theresa, Laura, MIKE, Annie, lol Nixon - disappeared as a result.
I agree with the wider point about it not mattering - nobody cares cause lynch & frost don't care - but I still find it funny, as I do the fact that Norma doesn't care about her sister being kidnapped
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
c'mon last episode just established that Norma doesn't have any family lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
Norma has a wonderful family
You know, Ed and Shelly and Becky and Heidi and Toad and the guy who yelled out "hot DAMN this pie is good" in the original series. Yep, a wonderful family. That's what's important to Norma: *extremely vin diesel voice* family
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
I'd love a scene of Norma at Miriam's hospital bedside tearfully declaring "you're like the sister I never had"
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:21 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM!
― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
did albert mention chet when talking to tammy? I can't remember.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Yeah
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
Also worth noting that the Missing Pieces (to the extent that they are 'canon') pretty decisively deep six the Deer Meadow dream theory (largely because said theory was supported largely by what Lynch had omitted from/altered in FWWM) and feature, for instance, Cooper discussing Desmond's disappearance with Sam Stanley.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
well Desmond was kind of a prick, who would want him back
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
I don't know if Jeffries wound up in the Black Lodge because he came into possession of the ring, but it does seem as if his phone has a little ring.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
xp I mean Albert's a prick too but I feel like they'd bother looking for him if he were gone (dgmw I know chet's no Albert)
I could be fuzzy on the ins & outs of the dream theory but my understanding is that those missing pieces scenes would also be part of the dream?
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
One of my favorite things about this is how many scenes we've had that are odd and unsettling and sometimes funny whose relationship to the whole is a bit mysterious and elliptical. That's such a rarity in tv, and these brief bits that are more than "set pieces", that have their own internal weird logic that lasts for the length of the scene, are Lynch at his best imo.
So there's lots of stuff still unresolved that I'm actively hoping does not get resolved.
And (unrelated) since Mr. C seems committed to murdering his former helpers I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death, easily my least favorite performance of the 200 or so so far.
― sciatica, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.
the more I think about it the more this seems otm, right down to the steam/smoke-blown numbers, which is very: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FvJ6LGDsUHG5RS%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
Yeah I'm not into Roth at all. I could live without the hutches in general tbh, much as I love jjl. Someone upthread said their scene this ep was like an ott Tarantino riff, to me that describes all their scenes
xps
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
" I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death"
at some point tim roth became an unbearable actor to me, I don't know when.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
Q
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
he's fine for me, there's just not that much material for him to work with
― mh, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Oh I've read the essay (we see Cooper in the real world in fwwm, saying "the killer will strike again" into his dictaphone and talking to Albert about the next victim); I don't know where that missing piece was supposed to go but I think it can be part of the dream. You just have to bend the text to force it in, which has always been the case with that theory.
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
I didn't mean to post the letter Q just now btw
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
I thought it was a Bible textual criticism gag...
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
i really dislike the cooper dream theory btw
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
Yeah Thorne has been quite upfront about the fact that the theory essentially stems from his just not liking the deer meadow section on first watch*, which is a bad starting point imo
* and I suspect a lot of ppl picked it up and ran with it because it explained continuity not matching, which wtf you are banned from watching twin peaks
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
Speaking of theories has anyone considered the possibility that Dougie electrocuting himself killed him and that there's now only one Coop?
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
No
― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
covered upthread
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
I'm sticking with my "receiving a download from the beyond" theory until proven differently
― mh, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
it was the first thing that came to mind upon viewing, especially after Jeffries said "so you are Cooper"... anyway I'm sure it's extremely unlikely but whatever
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
i must have missed it in my fever to catch up with the thread xposts