Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

C'mon, Albert's not evil, jeez

I wonder if Chris Isaak will turn up at any point.

I don't think we'll see any surprise cameos from ppl not on the cast list. It is kinda funny that the disappearances of Cooper & Jeffries are a huge deal in this world, but Desmond also disappeared and nobody gives a shit

Richard Horne's parentage, paternal and maternal, has never been a mystery

yeah it is weird that Desmond is persona non grata

It's especially weird inasmuch as the essay I alluded to yesterday made a convincing case that Desmond was basically a 'dream' analogue of Cooper (as it was established in the original series that Cooper had actually been the lead in the Teresa Banks investigation). Lynch could have chosen to leave him unmentioned in The Return (which would have lent credence to that theory) but by bringing him up and not addressing his disappearance as a mystery in need of solving...I'm not sure what the angle is. Unless Desmond winds up being yet another tea kettle existing in an extranormal space.

my prediction is that some mysteries will be solved and others will not

Agree

xp I like to think frost threw in the Desmond mention just to fuck with that dream theory

I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.

He's a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.

i'm psyched that there is now one degree of separation between two of my favorite aesthetic worlds, Twin Peaks and Shriekback (Veils leader is Barry Andrews' son and though I didn't really like their song, I noted it was titled 'Axolotl' which is a very fucking Shriekback song title)

i liked the veils song but once again regretted having the captions on, allowing me to see the song's terrible lyrics (same thing happened with nine inch nails)

are Shriekback really into Cortazar or something

feel certain that david bowie's transfiguration into a percolator is a deep and important callback to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxNP-1VpjE

are you saying that jeffries is a fish now

I thought all Britishes turned into teakettles when they died

are Shriekback really into Cortazar or something

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:32 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

amphibians, aquatic lifeforms, species with bizarre ontogenies, all v shriekback themes

The ring makes people disappear, and Desmond was one of them, beyond that I don't think it matters much where he went, he was just an off-brand Dale Cooper.

I want to know more about Jeffries's journey. One would think he'd find his current status distressing but he seems pretty chill about being a giant metal tank stuck inside the Black Lodge.

― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:11 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"The Whisperer in Darkness" tells us that things aren't always what they seem in such cases

The ring makes people disappear, and Desmond was one of them, beyond that I don't think it matters much where he went, he was just an off-brand Dale Cooper.

It's suggested, but not confirmed, that Jeffries found the ring before disappearing; Cooper definitely didn't, and none of the other people who wore the ring - Theresa, Laura, MIKE, Annie, lol Nixon - disappeared as a result.

I agree with the wider point about it not mattering - nobody cares cause lynch & frost don't care - but I still find it funny, as I do the fact that Norma doesn't care about her sister being kidnapped

c'mon last episode just established that Norma doesn't have any family lol

Norma has a wonderful family

You know, Ed and Shelly and Becky and Heidi and Toad and the guy who yelled out "hot DAMN this pie is good" in the original series. Yep, a wonderful family. That's what's important to Norma: *extremely vin diesel voice* family

I'd love a scene of Norma at Miriam's hospital bedside tearfully declaring "you're like the sister I never had"

He's a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:21 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM!

did albert mention chet when talking to tammy? I can't remember.

Yeah

Also worth noting that the Missing Pieces (to the extent that they are 'canon') pretty decisively deep six the Deer Meadow dream theory (largely because said theory was supported largely by what Lynch had omitted from/altered in FWWM) and feature, for instance, Cooper discussing Desmond's disappearance with Sam Stanley.

well Desmond was kind of a prick, who would want him back

I don't know if Jeffries wound up in the Black Lodge because he came into possession of the ring, but it does seem as if his phone has a little ring.

xp I mean Albert's a prick too but I feel like they'd bother looking for him if he were gone (dgmw I know chet's no Albert)

I could be fuzzy on the ins & outs of the dream theory but my understanding is that those missing pieces scenes would also be part of the dream?

One of my favorite things about this is how many scenes we've had that are odd and unsettling and sometimes funny whose relationship to the whole is a bit mysterious and elliptical. That's such a rarity in tv, and these brief bits that are more than "set pieces", that have their own internal weird logic that lasts for the length of the scene, are Lynch at his best imo.

So there's lots of stuff still unresolved that I'm actively hoping does not get resolved.

And (unrelated) since Mr. C seems committed to murdering his former helpers I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death, easily my least favorite performance of the 200 or so so far.

a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.

the more I think about it the more this seems otm, right down to the steam/smoke-blown numbers, which is very: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FvJ6LGDsUHG5RS%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.

Yeah I'm not into Roth at all. I could live without the hutches in general tbh, much as I love jjl. Someone upthread said their scene this ep was like an ott Tarantino riff, to me that describes all their scenes

xps

" I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death"

at some point tim roth became an unbearable actor to me, I don't know when.

Q

he's fine for me, there's just not that much material for him to work with

xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.

Oh I've read the essay (we see Cooper in the real world in fwwm, saying "the killer will strike again" into his dictaphone and talking to Albert about the next victim); I don't know where that missing piece was supposed to go but I think it can be part of the dream. You just have to bend the text to force it in, which has always been the case with that theory.

I didn't mean to post the letter Q just now btw

I thought it was a Bible textual criticism gag...

i really dislike the cooper dream theory btw

Yeah Thorne has been quite upfront about the fact that the theory essentially stems from his just not liking the deer meadow section on first watch*, which is a bad starting point imo

* and I suspect a lot of ppl picked it up and ran with it because it explained continuity not matching, which wtf you are banned from watching twin peaks

Speaking of theories has anyone considered the possibility that Dougie electrocuting himself killed him and that there's now only one Coop?

No

covered upthread

I'm sticking with my "receiving a download from the beyond" theory until proven differently

it was the first thing that came to mind upon viewing, especially after Jeffries said "so you are Cooper"... anyway I'm sure it's extremely unlikely but whatever

i must have missed it in my fever to catch up with the thread xposts

I will feel really heartbroken if the first thing he says is "Janey, I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain this... but I'm not Dougie"

of course then we find out Janey-E has been a double agent the entire time and, while she's enjoyed her marriage, she knew Dougie was fake

also maybe Sonny Jim turns into a gold bean

Janey-E dies heroically, Sonny Jim adopted by Jade