I think it's a way station or some kind of limbo. characters unrelated to audrey have shown up
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
serving burgers
I guess James and Hulk hand got in a fight there, which ties in to the "real" storyline of the show
― it me, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link
Also Chad, Red, Ray...
While I was feeling more ambiguous about this at the end of that scene than at the start (which I thought, for a second, would put the Audrey is dreaming/in a coma theories to rest), I do think this confirms that... some version/form of Audrey is very much awake and active in the world of Twin Peaks. Both the Diane scene and that cliffhanger of course may suggest that what we're seeing is something beyond the awake/in a coma dichotomy
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link
Jerry sure seems to have strayed far afield of the forest he was lost in
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 28 August 2017 05:42 (six years ago) link
I knew sooner or later Jerry would stumble upon the other characters, but when it happened it came as a total surprise
― Moodles, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
James, of course.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, 28 August 2017 07:18 (six years ago) link
And I doubt Audrey could have dreamed 'just you and I' because she wasn't witness to it in the first place. Though maybe James sings it a lot.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, 28 August 2017 07:19 (six years ago) link
I'm kinda hesitant to dive too deep into coma theories because there was that scene where the guy runs into the double-r and asks "has anyone seen billy?" in the end of part 7. Would that be part of Audrey's coma world? It doesn't feel like it.
But that ending? Shit, I don't know what to say. Maybe she's got black lodge ties too? If coop took Diane to the convenience store, who knows what he might've done with Audrey
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 28 August 2017 07:20 (six years ago) link
also are we ever gonna get anything with the box ever again? Because as many missing threads as this show has, that one's truly stumping me. It's a cool concept though and I want to guess we'll get answers next week.
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 28 August 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link
Perhaps Coop vs Badcoop interdimensional fisticuffs will include the box at some point.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, 28 August 2017 08:34 (six years ago) link
I nearly posted the naido = "o dian" thing a couple of weeks ago as a joke, wish I had now that so many people seem excited by it lol
I thought part of the point of Jerry showing up was to make it clear that the doppelgänger was in the twin peaks area, so I wouldn't assume he's come that far
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 10:02 (six years ago) link
Always thought this song had a Lynchy Twin Peaks thing going on
https://youtu.be/plwjBKk8y_s
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 28 August 2017 10:11 (six years ago) link
Something that kind of hit me with the driving scene: the narrative moves around so much that you barely notice how geographically static all the characters are. Cole/Tammy/Albert have been hanging out in Buckhorn, SD for basically the entire series! The Las Vegas people haven't left Las Vegas. Only Bad Coop, Richard Horne, and Tim Roth / JJL are allowed to take to the roads. This somehow seems related to the Audrey-Charlie scenes of just somehow not being able to work up the momentum to get out the door and go to the Roadhouse. (In a way, I found "Audrey and Charlie actually make it to the Roadhouse" more viscerally shocking than Audrey in the white room!)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:31 (six years ago) link
Not sure we will get any more of the box. The photo suggests it was Mr C's project and given that it failed to capture Coop I guess it's redundant. I also think it might have been destroyed by Mother/The Experiment and it's presumably under police/FBI surveillance now. But you never know...
I'm thinking the Roadhouse scenes are all real, but the Audrey scene was a projection of some sort. Or, as may be more likely, there's something not quite right with the Roadhouse - infected by the Black Lodge, so time and reality are warped.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:32 (six years ago) link
Craziest part was when Audrey just strolled into the roadhouse without her damn coat
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:37 (six years ago) link
The fact that an entire new group of customers appeared when the guy ran in and Shelly and Heidi were standing in different places sure seemed to indicate this was some other reality creeping in.
― Chris L, Monday, 28 August 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
When Cooper says "I need you to make another one" to MIKE he means there needs to be another tulpa/doppelganger, right? Does the lock of hair mean that he wants MIKE to make another Cooper? Can there be three at once? Trippelganger? MIKE assures Coop that he has a seed. Does he mean the seed that used to be Dougie? Or the one that Diane boils down to later in the episode? Does he need another manufactured being because he needs it for whatever's coming in Twin Peaks? Or is he just saying MIKE needs to send Janey-E and Sonny Jim a refurb Dougie when it's all over?
On some level I don't understand whether Bad Coop is one kind of thing and Dougie / nu-Diane were a separate kind of thing, or whether all three are the same kind of thing but Bad Coop is different by virtue of having Bob in him.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:40 (six years ago) link
Also I want to stand up for "I am the FBI" -- I think it goes well with the ending, the only classic "cliffhanger" in the series so far that I can remember, and the shootout in Las Vegas -- somehow I feel like this episode wanted to feel "more like TV" if that makes sense
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:43 (six years ago) link
I definitely think a tulpa is different to a doppelgänger yeah. Coop wants Gerard to make a new Dougie for Janey & Sonny Jim (from the original seed that Dougie was made from, which Gerard produces & shows him iirc)
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:43 (six years ago) link
But the original case Albert tells Tammy about -- I forget the name, but two copies of the same woman, one kills the other -- that sounds more like what I think of a "doppelganger" as being, but one of them is described as a tulpa (I think that's where the word is introduced in the show actually)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
I also want to register my opinion that the Showtime teaser for this episode should have been "Bad binoculars"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:46 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah good point about the Lois Duffy thing, but I mean "tulpa" is just a word Tammy came up with, there can still be a distinction between doppelgängers/shadow selves and manufactured people
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 11:48 (six years ago) link
i assume good coop is making a new tulpa to fight against whatever seed was triggered by that cell phone call 10000 episodes ago (not that he even necessarily knows about it? idk)
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
Was that a seed? It wasn't gold was it?
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
i haven't watched that episode in forever so i actually have no idea! wonder what's going on with that thing anyway
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 12:24 (six years ago) link
tulpa is not "just a word tammy came up with" ?
― maura, Monday, 28 August 2017 12:25 (six years ago) link
I mean it's the closest word she could pluck from memory to explain the concept 5 seconds after hearing the story, not that she literally invented the word.
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 12:29 (six years ago) link
Like "Tammy calls them both tulpas" isn't evidence of much of anything. I def don't think it means cooper's doppelgänger was created from a gold ball and some hair.
(It's definitely legitimate to think of him as a kind of tulpa tho, if you think of him as having been brought into being by cooper's fear as many do)
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link
naido = "i, dona" confirmation donna is coming back
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
I get what wins is saying, tulpas are a description of a certain type of spiritual projection described in strains of buddhism, but it's just mapping a word we know on to whatever these seed people are. Doesn't mean you can read the wiki for "tulpa"and assume everything applies
Then again, maybe Lynch was like, fuck it, they're tulpas
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
naido = idano = I dunno
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link
Tulpa seems like a mark frost addition to me. Like dugpa it's a term that originates in Tibetan Buddhism but was reconfigured or bastardised or whatever by western occultists, and that's where frost tends to pick these things up from. I suspect lynch would have been fine to leave it at "manufactured", which tells you everything you need to know in simple terms.
xp my joke post I was gonna write about naido/odian would have been like "ODIAN. OH DIANE. HE IS MISSING. YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TAMMY."
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
Ida No is the other half of Glass Candy with Johnny Jewel who did much of the soundtrack though I'm sure it's coincidence.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:27 (six years ago) link
Wikipedia and its sources believe "tulpa" to be a Tibetan Buddhist term, as is "dugpa" of course - the latter's rendition as "Brother of the Shadow" makes me wonder if it's the etymology behind "Dougie".
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
oh sorry for the repeat there
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link
love how JJL and Roth are always eating snacks/junk food - seems like a necessary thing for contract killing
watching this at 7 AM - nothing compares to this show really
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
Time to start obnoxiously reposting the theories and observations which reveal our observational genius, I guess. From just after Richard's hit-and-run:
Lynch seemed to very deliberately have Richard Horne stop his truck just as the electrical transformer from the pole above was reflected in his windshield. Significant, I'm sure (particularly since this episode had very deliberate callbacks to the scenes in FWWM of the spirits traveling through the power lines), but I'm not sure how.
― The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T & the Women (Old Lunch), Monday, June 12, 2017 8:40 AM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
i'd like to go on reddit and ask em what they think all the equipment in the fbi hotel room does, i'd be eager to see just how ridiculous and far-out their theories get
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
P sure it's nothing more complicated than the fact that Albert and Gordon have a synthwave band on the side.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
it makes sounds
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 28 August 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
I'd agree that actually naming "tulpas" seems like a Frost thing. I think one of Lynch's trademarks is that he does not name things, or when he does name things, is incredibly generic at doing so. All of the otherworldly elements are shown, but not really talked about, in his stuff.
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
agreed, tulpa felt like a misstep - a simple Dougie style "that's weird" would do
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
do you guys think the humming noise at the great northern, then at the hospital, is more of a cue or is it actually indicative of a presence?
I was thinking that maybe it was the rest of Cooper's consciousness, and he's been floating between electrical systems to check on people in Twin Peaks before finally getting zapped back into a body
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
imo Tammy putting a name on it sounds exactly like her notes in the Secret History book -- it's all notes in the margins and footnotes postulating what all of these compiled documents might mean
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
i did enjoy how dougie's drastic change of character didn't evoke more than mild surprise in those around him. side effects, yes
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
xposts I guess to me it's similar to e.g. the presumption that the force at work in The Exorcist is a Judeo-Christian demon. It's the job of the FBI's Blue Rose Task Force to put this supernatural phenomena in a describable context even if the description is ultimately inadequate.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
It sort of makes you feel like maybe manufactured people like Dougie and new-Diane are ALWAYS a little glitchy. Like, maybe Janey-E and Sonny Jim were used to Dougie suddenly changing personality for a few months if he walked too close to a power line.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
Do we now think Janey-E is sister to actual Diane? Or does "sister", spoken by manufactured Diane, mean Janey-E is also manufactured? Or was that whole thing just fiction on new-Diane's part?