Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I always kind of want to brush Janey-E's hair.

Conventional wisdom ("families make men happy") that gets weird the more you look at it. Cooper is compassionate and unfailingly polite but he's also defined, literally, by his job, and is a bit remote and self-centered as a result.

His job is his identity for sure, but he's also a huge romantic who wound up in the situation he's in to save the woman he loved (not that Annie plays much of a role in this series). His defining trait, aside from his sense of duty, is his love of life in its totality, though, so it makes sense to me that the company of a really strong woman and an upstanding son he can toss a baseball with would play a part in his happy ending.

There were so many places/situations they could have plopped a sidelined Cooper for 12 episodes, but I think this is the one that most emphasized the life he never got to live. The idea that Dougie, a literal non-entity, got to enjoy a fuller, more satisfying life than Coop did just seems so deeply sad to me.

That whole car ride was amazing, Watts has just been incredible every week. Think about Janey-E's "We drive terrible cars!!" exclamation so often

The Mitchum Bros. and the girls going to Twin Peaks has sold me on the Candie/Laura Palmer theories. Found the Hearts of Gold bit pretty funny given that if it wasn't for Lodge Pie and a heap of money they would have murdered him.

Once this ends I imagine I'm gonna watch this endlessly forever, a criterion release would be appreciated.

I will boldly predict that candie is not Laura palmer

McLachlan was totally doing the movey-hand driving-acting thing.

Loved the episode but the Diane resolution robbed The Return of its least lazily created female character by handing over her agency to Mr C. The finale could right this and accentuate Laura and Audrey of course.

The Janey-E scenes post-Dale return were maddening too. Her passivity to finding out it wasn't Dougie & her adoration of his assuredness & impressive driving were a bit nauseating together for me. The power of the awakening moment steamrolling the personalities of the dependent characters. One minute i found myself punching the air, not long after i was eyerolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9U1v6oeMpQ

Last night, my feeling was that Real Coop wants another doppelganger made to use as a decoy with Bad Coop, and that Real Coop will end the series back with Janey-E and Sonny Jim, but I'm not as convinced this morning. I keep (involuntarily) flashing on the end of Cast Away, where Hanks literally stands at a "do you see?!" crossroads with any future open to him.

Once this ends I imagine I'm gonna watch this endlessly forever, a criterion release would be appreciated. This would be an amazing coup. I wonder how home-video rights go with premium-cable shows. For Game of Thrones DVDs, studio is listed as HBO, but Ray Donovan (to pick a Showtime example) DVD studio is listed as Paramount.

McLachlan was totally doing the movey-hand driving-acting thing.

― Cake hawn. (jed_), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:16 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i noticed this

wtf no, Cooper has been completely gone and has "enjoyed his time with" Janey-E and Sonny Jim, he's out. It wasn't "do you still have a seed" it was "do you still have _the seed_" even though we now know multiple seeds existed.

He's having a Dougie built to send back to Janey and Jim

Guys. When Diane texts... There's two sets of #TwinPeaks on her phone. First set: pic.twitter.com/NeGxPibE1t

— --------- (@fatecolossal) August 28, 2017

This is one of the stupidest things

bwahahaha

holy shit, my phone too! dopplemh confirmed

I'm sure there are stupid-ass theories about why the hell the evil dopplegangers signal to the Diane doppleganger looked like a smiley, too

I like to think it was an echo of the part in her story where, after he kissed her and she was afraid because it wasn't the real Coop, "he smiled... and his face..."

: - )

^-- the dopplegangers creepy grinning rictus

: - ) ALL

xp

Guys. Diane smokes American Spirits. Because she is in fact an American spirit.

Guys.

"remember ALL, meaning everything, including my crazy murderer smile : - ) and the fact you're not a real person"

I'm sure there are stupid-ass theories about why the hell the evil dopplegangers signal to the Diane doppleganger looked like a smiley, too

Dude, be sure to read the whole thread of that tweet I posted :-)

oh god

there's a 420 in the middle of the string of coordinates -> dopple jerry confirmed

Evan the fact that iirc Annie has not been mentioned once this series and Heather Graham was not asked to return says what it needs to about the notion that Cooper is a huge romantic. It was a wayward notion in the garbage part of season 2, similar to Cooper in flannel, that's now being ignored.

Cooper's tulpa was placed in Vegas because that's where Diane's sister lives. It's Mr. C keeping his various moving parts in some sort of order.

The way Diane talks about "his smile" makes me think that BOB was more in control for the first several years after the doppelgänger emerged. Mr C is evil but doesn't come across as particularly sadistic or lustful

imo he's just an evil fucker and the idea his decoy is married to diane's sister is just him being mean

he'd get that garmonbozia that's almost diane-flavored from janey when she lost her husband to the lodge switcheroo scheme

wins, did you miss the parts where he punched through a guy's face after wrecking his arm, kind of just nonchalantly watched his son get destroyed by electricity, and seems to be sexually involved with every female lackey?

Yeah I did

like, it's a lot more controlled than BOB's rape-and-murder, but it's Cooper's methodical and low-key nature grafted with BOB instead of Leland Palmer's dopey self

Evan the fact that iirc Annie has not been mentioned once this series and Heather Graham was not asked to return says what it needs to about the notion that Cooper is a huge romantic. It was a wayward notion in the garbage part of season 2, similar to Cooper in flannel, that's now being ignored.

Cooper's tulpa was placed in Vegas because that's where Diane's sister lives. It's Mr. C keeping his various moving parts in some sort of order.

― sciatica, Monday, August 28, 2017 12:38 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Annie was explicitly mentioned! The diary pages!

I think in all those examples it's emphasised how dispassionate mr c is tho, whereas BOB has the fury of his own momentum xp

i just rewatched audrey's "get me out of here" scene; i was kind of hoping all season that i'd get a moment that would give me a feeling similar to the one i get from mulholland drive's "camera dives into the darkness of the blue box" scene and boy i sure got it

That's fine Old Lunch, it's a point of fact that doesn't negate my point.

Anyway this will all be resolved next week when Cooper emphatically does not return to Vegas or bring the fam up to Philadelphia or TP or the Lodge or wherever.

It was a wayward notion in the garbage part of season 2, similar to Cooper in flannel, that's now being ignored.

There was precedent for Coop in flannel. From the very first episodes, he was enamored with Twin Peaks—the pie, the people, the trees—and open to the idea he could settle there. That passion for life/goodness is his core trait!

I don't think you can lump in Annie with all the garbage in the last 3/4 of Season 2. Cooper finding love in a town where'd he liked to settle down and start a new life is what makes the S2 finale & The Return so heartbreaking.

re: Annie, given that the whole show is about the ramifications of Cooper being trapped in the lodge, it's a little weird they never address how he ended up in the lodge. Yeah, nobody wants to hear about Windom Earle or w/e, but after FWWM the series got retconned so Cooper entered the lodge to... quietly console Laura Palmer or something?

well Lynch did put Annie in FWWM

actually i'd like to upgrade my opinion of the vedder song from "ok" to "actually i really like that song especially in context"

Yeah it's just more that it doesn't really matter at this point why he entered, the important thing is that he did - no real reason windom earle should be any less important than annie in terms of plot going forward

it's a little weird they never address how he ended up in the lodge

he went in to defeat Earle & save Annie. FWWM didn't retcon anything - time is completely disjointed in the lodge

xp yea i was surprised by the Vedder song, it was appropriately low key, wasn't the end of the episode, & fit the context & mood perfectly

no real reason windom earle should be any less important than annie in terms of plot going forward

Earle was more or less disposed with by BOB in the S2 finale (BOB being like 'he doesn't have the authority to take your soul" or w/e).

although we never got any followup on "Windom Earle Theme" playing over the credits in Part 7 with the weird superimposed reality in the Double R.

Like a lot of people have been going mental that annie hasn't been mentioned much because HOWS ANNIE was this incredible cliffhanger, which is dumb as shit - the cliffhanger wasn't the question of how annie was, that was actually answered a second later iirc ("she's fine, she's at the hospital" iirc), the cliffhanger was the situation illustrated by the mocking repetition of that question

kind of just nonchalantly watched his son get destroyed by electricity

i liked the little 'oh' from bad coop after richard was disintegrated, the first time we've seen him taken aback, but nevertheless only like 5% taken aback

i like the implication that annie was so pure of heart that she made it out of the lodge so unscathed that we never hear about it again

at least that's how i choose to interpret it, maybe something horrible happened to annie after the hospital scene

I'm just fixated on Cooper being cheated out of true love & happiness & contentment. so The Return is "Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks" = to me that means returning to and reclaiming the love he found at the end of Season 2.

Annie was a plot device and post-series she got on with her life

i like the implication that annie was so pure of heart that she made it out of the lodge so unscathed that we never hear about it again

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

at least that's how i choose to interpret it, maybe something horrible happened to annie after the hospital scene

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cooper sacrificed his soul to BOB to save Annie. I assume that means she escaped relatively unscathed.

annie is an associate manager of logistics at home depot's santa fe office now, she's fine

(I like annie btw, glassy-eyed pixie dream girl that she is)