I will boldly predict that candie is not Laura palmer
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
McLachlan was totally doing the movey-hand driving-acting thing.
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
Loved the episode but the Diane resolution robbed The Return of its least lazily created female character by handing over her agency to Mr C. The finale could right this and accentuate Laura and Audrey of course.
The Janey-E scenes post-Dale return were maddening too. Her passivity to finding out it wasn't Dougie & her adoration of his assuredness & impressive driving were a bit nauseating together for me. The power of the awakening moment steamrolling the personalities of the dependent characters. One minute i found myself punching the air, not long after i was eyerolling.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9U1v6oeMpQ
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Last night, my feeling was that Real Coop wants another doppelganger made to use as a decoy with Bad Coop, and that Real Coop will end the series back with Janey-E and Sonny Jim, but I'm not as convinced this morning. I keep (involuntarily) flashing on the end of Cast Away, where Hanks literally stands at a "do you see?!" crossroads with any future open to him.
Once this ends I imagine I'm gonna watch this endlessly forever, a criterion release would be appreciated. This would be an amazing coup. I wonder how home-video rights go with premium-cable shows. For Game of Thrones DVDs, studio is listed as HBO, but Ray Donovan (to pick a Showtime example) DVD studio is listed as Paramount.
― May contain peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, pits or pit fragments. (WilliamC), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:16 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha i noticed this
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
wtf no, Cooper has been completely gone and has "enjoyed his time with" Janey-E and Sonny Jim, he's out. It wasn't "do you still have a seed" it was "do you still have _the seed_" even though we now know multiple seeds existed.
He's having a Dougie built to send back to Janey and Jim
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
Guys. When Diane texts... There's two sets of #TwinPeaks on her phone. First set: pic.twitter.com/NeGxPibE1t— --------- (@fatecolossal) August 28, 2017
This is one of the stupidest things
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
bwahahaha
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
holy shit, my phone too! dopplemh confirmed
I'm sure there are stupid-ass theories about why the hell the evil dopplegangers signal to the Diane doppleganger looked like a smiley, too
I like to think it was an echo of the part in her story where, after he kissed her and she was afraid because it wasn't the real Coop, "he smiled... and his face..."
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
: - )
^-- the dopplegangers creepy grinning rictus
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
: - ) ALL
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
xp
Guys. Diane smokes American Spirits. Because she is in fact an American spirit.
Guys.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
"remember ALL, meaning everything, including my crazy murderer smile : - ) and the fact you're not a real person"
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
Dude, be sure to read the whole thread of that tweet I posted :-)
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
oh god
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
there's a 420 in the middle of the string of coordinates -> dopple jerry confirmed
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
Evan the fact that iirc Annie has not been mentioned once this series and Heather Graham was not asked to return says what it needs to about the notion that Cooper is a huge romantic. It was a wayward notion in the garbage part of season 2, similar to Cooper in flannel, that's now being ignored.
Cooper's tulpa was placed in Vegas because that's where Diane's sister lives. It's Mr. C keeping his various moving parts in some sort of order.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
The way Diane talks about "his smile" makes me think that BOB was more in control for the first several years after the doppelgänger emerged. Mr C is evil but doesn't come across as particularly sadistic or lustful
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
imo he's just an evil fucker and the idea his decoy is married to diane's sister is just him being mean
he'd get that garmonbozia that's almost diane-flavored from janey when she lost her husband to the lodge switcheroo scheme
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
wins, did you miss the parts where he punched through a guy's face after wrecking his arm, kind of just nonchalantly watched his son get destroyed by electricity, and seems to be sexually involved with every female lackey?
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
Yeah I did
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link
like, it's a lot more controlled than BOB's rape-and-murder, but it's Cooper's methodical and low-key nature grafted with BOB instead of Leland Palmer's dopey self
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
― sciatica, Monday, August 28, 2017 12:38 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Annie was explicitly mentioned! The diary pages!
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
I think in all those examples it's emphasised how dispassionate mr c is tho, whereas BOB has the fury of his own momentum xp
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
i just rewatched audrey's "get me out of here" scene; i was kind of hoping all season that i'd get a moment that would give me a feeling similar to the one i get from mulholland drive's "camera dives into the darkness of the blue box" scene and boy i sure got it
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
That's fine Old Lunch, it's a point of fact that doesn't negate my point.
Anyway this will all be resolved next week when Cooper emphatically does not return to Vegas or bring the fam up to Philadelphia or TP or the Lodge or wherever.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
It was a wayward notion in the garbage part of season 2, similar to Cooper in flannel, that's now being ignored.
There was precedent for Coop in flannel. From the very first episodes, he was enamored with Twin Peaks—the pie, the people, the trees—and open to the idea he could settle there. That passion for life/goodness is his core trait!
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
I don't think you can lump in Annie with all the garbage in the last 3/4 of Season 2. Cooper finding love in a town where'd he liked to settle down and start a new life is what makes the S2 finale & The Return so heartbreaking.
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
re: Annie, given that the whole show is about the ramifications of Cooper being trapped in the lodge, it's a little weird they never address how he ended up in the lodge. Yeah, nobody wants to hear about Windom Earle or w/e, but after FWWM the series got retconned so Cooper entered the lodge to... quietly console Laura Palmer or something?
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
well Lynch did put Annie in FWWM
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
actually i'd like to upgrade my opinion of the vedder song from "ok" to "actually i really like that song especially in context"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link
Yeah it's just more that it doesn't really matter at this point why he entered, the important thing is that he did - no real reason windom earle should be any less important than annie in terms of plot going forward
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link
it's a little weird they never address how he ended up in the lodge
he went in to defeat Earle & save Annie. FWWM didn't retcon anything - time is completely disjointed in the lodge
xp yea i was surprised by the Vedder song, it was appropriately low key, wasn't the end of the episode, & fit the context & mood perfectly
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
no real reason windom earle should be any less important than annie in terms of plot going forward
Earle was more or less disposed with by BOB in the S2 finale (BOB being like 'he doesn't have the authority to take your soul" or w/e).
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
although we never got any followup on "Windom Earle Theme" playing over the credits in Part 7 with the weird superimposed reality in the Double R.
Like a lot of people have been going mental that annie hasn't been mentioned much because HOWS ANNIE was this incredible cliffhanger, which is dumb as shit - the cliffhanger wasn't the question of how annie was, that was actually answered a second later iirc ("she's fine, she's at the hospital" iirc), the cliffhanger was the situation illustrated by the mocking repetition of that question
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
kind of just nonchalantly watched his son get destroyed by electricity
i liked the little 'oh' from bad coop after richard was disintegrated, the first time we've seen him taken aback, but nevertheless only like 5% taken aback
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 28 August 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
i like the implication that annie was so pure of heart that she made it out of the lodge so unscathed that we never hear about it again
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
at least that's how i choose to interpret it, maybe something horrible happened to annie after the hospital scene
I'm just fixated on Cooper being cheated out of true love & happiness & contentment. so The Return is "Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks" = to me that means returning to and reclaiming the love he found at the end of Season 2.
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Annie was a plot device and post-series she got on with her life
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
i like the implication that annie was so pure of heart that she made it out of the lodge so unscathed that we never hear about it again― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkat least that's how i choose to interpret it, maybe something horrible happened to annie after the hospital scene― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, August 28, 2017 2:00 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cooper sacrificed his soul to BOB to save Annie. I assume that means she escaped relatively unscathed.
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
annie is an associate manager of logistics at home depot's santa fe office now, she's fine
― Karl Malone, Monday, 28 August 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
(I like annie btw, glassy-eyed pixie dream girl that she is)
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
Annie's roles in the finale & FWWM are lynch making the best of a bad situation. Everyone above who's said variations on this otm.
I'm just fixated on Cooper being cheated out of true love & happiness & contentment
You're watching a different show than I am. What I love about Cooper is more in line with Elvis Telecom's post from way up thread--he's more of a cipher, even pre-Lodge something more than human, an interruption of the subconscious into conventional notions of methodical investigation. This facade cracks at key moments--"It had only happened once before"--but making him a conventional romantic lead weakens the character, as Frost and Lynch clearly realize from how they've revised the character this time around.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
occasionally she has strange dreams though
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link