Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I agree. But you have to agree that Cole's dream does flirt with this very slightly, no?

"i don't get it either, akm"

not sure why this is confusing. I'm saying there is a hint that the person in Cole's dream isn't Gordon Cole, it's David Lynch.

and the answer to the question "who is the dreamer?" is "David Lynch".

and that would be hackneyed and lame if it's made any more explicit than the hint that was already there.

i'm so confused

have yo people never seen 'it's gary shandling's show" or read a john barth book

Or the end of Bob Newhart’s later show where he wakes up at the end and the new show was his character from the old show dreaming the whole thing

Like, Twin Peaks exists as a shared dream between David Lynch and Sherilynn Fenn and maybe others, and the end is them waking up, or reality flipping to something that is our world or resembles it. Or Twin Peaks is the real world and our world is the dream.

definitely not what happens, but I get the Gordon angle. I get where you’re coming from, they won’t do it.

I mean, arguably, Cooper seeing Sunset Boulevard and hearing Gordon’s name is another blurring of lines between Hollywood and reality. Gordon Cole in the show only exists because Lynch wrote himself into the story, using the name of a character from a movie.

right. I mean...I'm happy enough with these flirtations with this aspect. But I hope there aren't any more; and I hope that's not where the Audrey thing is going.

If anyone is dreaming up the events of the show, it’s the characters in the lodges!

I think Frost’s influence, and the scope of the show have tamped down the openness of Lynch’s typical themes, but he’s a creator who leaves things open enough that different interpretations of his work can be derived, and I think he’d argue that any or all of them could be true. Someone could write a thesis explaining how all of Mulholland Drive was the creation of the scary dumpster guy and it’d be thin, but Lynch would probably agree it’s fine

ok i get it now. like DFW's Oblivion or Good Old Neon or Octet but DFW said Oblivion was inspired by Lynch.

All of Twin Peaks is Janey’s fever dream — she was actually injured in the same car accident as Dougie, and she’s dreamt up a past where her husband was a creation in the form of a FBI agent who was investigating supernatural things. She wrote her estranged half-sister into it.

Or David Lynch wakes up, and he’s actually at a Crysta Bell concert in a small venue that looks a little bit like the roadhouse, and he’s fallen asleep while pitching a sequel to Blue Velvet to Kyle MacLachlan.

“Oh, Kyle, I dreamt we were talking about a sequel to our Twin Peaks show instead!”
“David, what’s Twin Peaks?”

"Or David Lynch wakes up, and he’s actually at a Crysta Bell concert in a small venue that looks a little bit like the roadhouse, and he’s fallen asleep while pitching a sequel to Blue Velvet to Kyle MacLachlan."

that would explain why she is in this show at least

there are worse actors in the show but yeah

i like chrysta bell in this

Cooper sitting in the RR, Bad Coop walks in, cue "Don't Stop Believin'"

I sure as hell hope it's not revealed as Lunch's dream ... but the Trinity nuclear test took place July 16 1945, six months before Lynch's birth. Although his mother was 26 at the time, too old for the girl who gets colonised by the frog-cicada thing.

argh, LYNCH, although I'd be fine with the idea that the series was Old Lunch's dream.

Twin peaks has always been meta as hell but come on they're not heading towards "omg we're in a tv show created by this guy David Lynch", don't even know why that's being floated as a possibility. Cole is explicitly Cole, not Lynch, in the Bellucci dream - "in Paris on a case", dressed as Cole, has flashbacks to Cole's prev experiences. There's no more "hint" that we're watching David Lynch than there is in any other scene. The sunset blvd thing has these layers of metatextual resonance for us but in the story it's just a weird coincidence that cooper's old boss has the same name as a minor character in a classic film.

That said I'm up for ending with David Lynch covering Livin' Joy's "I'm a dreamer"

The backstory of that scene is that the cafe where Cole & Monica meet is directly next to an art museum that was holding a David Lynch art exhibit. So when Cole turns and looks back at his younger self, from that seat, Lynch was in a sense doing the exact same thing at that moment.

Sure but that's the same kind of "meta" as all the other times they use the character to riff on Lynch's irl persona/reputation (the French woman &c), there's no suggestion of actual Barth-style metafiction anywhere

I agree, I think "Who is the dreamer" is significant only in a meta sense, not directly to the plot.

I've seen it suggested that the bellucci & sunset blvd refs represent some kind of unprecedented encroachment of "our" world into twin peaks, which isn't really true - in the old series characters made reference to Marilyn Monroe, Cary Grant, the king & I, just off the top of my head. Reminds me of how before this came out ppl were fretting about how ~wrong~ it would feel to see modern technology in twin peaks, ppl are v attached to this idea they have in their heads of tp existing in this "timeless" self contained 50s space, forgetting that there are palm pilots, vcrs and mobile phones in the pilot episode - and then of course the return comes out and lynch leans into all the modern communication stuff really hard and it's awesome and everybody loves it

I predict a small bit of comedy business as Coop deals with an iphone for the first time.

Ha, that'd work - all the tech-savvy went to the doppelgänger

Btw there are apparently 10 scenes from the various official trailers that are still to come in these last two eps

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-finale-sneak-peek-unaired-scenes/

(They are mostly the tiniest snippets, establishing shots & such, but they give some idea of what locations we'll be visiting so don't click if you wanna go in ultra-fresh)

I like the idea that the man in Cole's dream is (secretly) Lynch rather than Cole. I HATE the idea that the series would ever explicitly point to a thing like this, mixing "our" world with the world of the show in a Barthian sense, making a wry point about its own constructedness blah blah blah.

Bad. Bad. Bad.

u mad at this thing that won't happen

(Actually it kind of did happen with the log lady intros delivered to camera and david lynch interviewing the palmer family, both of which are "canon" btw)

I'm mad that people speculated about that kind of thing here, in this hallowed space that isn't reddit

I hope Tammy and the weird sheriff's deputy have a scene together.

I love Tammy. She doesn't seem to be as much of a fan favorite as I'd expect.

I was unsure at first but fully came around circa pt 6 & have been team Tammy ever since (full disclosure: I also really like chris isaak in fwwm)

we get the chris isaak we deserve, which is tammy

I’m kind of doubting all the clips in that link are from the trailer. Promos use a lot of b-roll or unused footage!

gah, that is, from the final episodes

Also per tweet I quoted upthread, if you have such a problem with bell's unactorly alienness you forfeit the right to piss yourself every time they replay a few seconds of Bowie footage xps

the cooper in the big trailer scene (the one where he steps out of the darkness) really looks like dopplecoop to me; the face is so stern and his eyes are very dark.

Yeah I've been resistant to "it's bad coop in disguise" theories because the fake tan makeup is gone from his face but I'm now thinking that shot could be him emerging after being given a supernatural makeover

Tammy hate is nagl imo and I think we know very well what's behind it and shame on anyone

ok I'm checking out of this thread til it's all over. I'll see you in the trees.

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I mentioned upthread I was gonna enthusiastically immerse myself in a ridiculously long cumulative/preparatory Twin Peaks finale dance/workout session today and, um, this is its soundtrack; in case anyone's interested, I also put it on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/user/21xygnm5njwhhjvyt24a5ah4i/playlist/2a8TUZyltDwHtjpGvUyUwt

It includes music from the series, actual and fantasy Roadhouse performers, and further music related to, inspired by, or reminding me of Twin Peaks or Lynch's other work for whichever reason. The Cyclobe piece closing the playlist is a prediction in the broadest sense. See you on the other side.

Niiiice

If I could have one wish granted for this last episode: I'd like to see señorita dido again pls

my only request is that each ep be at least four hours long

I love Tammy

Kinda love mh's roadhouse lynch/mclachlan ending concept tbph

Nah fuck her iirc