Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

can't help wondering if frost walked into the episode 18 pre-production meeting to find the door bolted and lynch yelling through the keyhole "IT'S OKAY MARK, WE'VE GOT THIS"

what cliffhanger

Actually the beginning of 18 mitigates the extremely dark implications of the ending - at the very least, Cooper sacrificed himself to give a better Dougie back to Janey-E and Sonny Jim.

a little sad we never got a Dern/Watts scene

Naido being Diane after all: lynch/frost returning to the well of "white woman disguised as japanese person"

lmao

btw lol @/shout-out to Special Agent Dale Cooper's Gun Control Service

Me in 1991: BOB is one of the most frightening fictional characters ever created.

Me in 2017: nm, he got owned by a kid with a fake Cockney accent and a magic green glove.

lol

I love that the reality/narrative Dale goes into in Odessa is this whole other shaggy-dog universe of bad men that we'll never know anything about

i think this whole season was a shaggy-dog story

richard is the shaggy dog

Red's surname is Herring

haha :)

just watched, came in here not sure whether i wanted you guys to have a fully worked-out theory of this or just to be gaping at each other going "what the fuck just happened"

I don't think bleeding-mouth guy was there when Andy brought all the prisoners upstairs for the ensemble scene, was he?

It seemed like he was trying to pull something out of the wound on his cheek once Chad got loose -- what?

I know this isn't the most important question outstanding but I've got a lot to work through

"My Prayer" fuck yeah!

"My Prayer" fuck, yeah

jfc
that final episode, holy shit

call for help

that final shot, behind the credits, of laura whispering in coop's ear in slow motion - in context it almost seemed like that was her telling him the key to the whole thing, and him realizing that it's bad news

like "you'll never solve this mystery, and you'll never stop trying" or something, and the realization of what that really means

the swaying trees in the post-cooper/Dern hotel scene was beautiful. Lynch is a master at making the environment such an integral part of the character's internal mood

like "you'll never solve this mystery, and you'll never stop trying" or something, and the realization of what that really means

― Karl Malone, Monday, September 4, 2017 12:25 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good god, yes. more horrifying than i ever expected

What was the final music? Not credited, but sounded familiar. Something slowed down, just like the visuals? Worked really well in any case.

OH the most incredible part of this finale was the extended superimposition of the extreme closeup of Cooper's face over the rest of that scene plays out, just completely intoxicating

this:

https://i.redd.it/ef8bhsr87sjz.png

I'm thinking of the little man's last word in the missing pieces: "there is nowhere to go...but...HOME!"

& the doppelgänger's "I've never really left home, gordon". Coop's taking Laura home at the end of fwwm, nu-Dougie arrives home, we end on a no-place like home

we live inside a dream

"The home is a place where things can go wrong"

the only glimmer of sense i can make of any of this is that the dale cooper we saw in original twin peaks was good-guy dale cooper, the one we saw in fwwm was bad-guy dale cooper, and the one we just saw in part 18 was the actual proper dale cooper before/after he was split off into good dale and bad dale. that would explain why dale was so impossibly impeachably good in the original show — he was only half the original dale cooper.

Rolling Stone:

So ends the con job that Lynch and Frost telegraphed from the season's subtitle, The Return, on down. After all, the original Twin Peaks ended in the worst possible way: goodness corrupted, evil triumphant. Fire Walk With Me hinted at a way forward, only to linger on cruelty and suffering. Certainly nothing in Lynch's intervening filmography indicated that this story would have a happy ending. Why wouldn't we wind up right back where we started: an unspeakable violation, carving a hole in the moral fabric of the universe that no one, not even the whitest of knights, is capable of making whole?

This is Twin Peaks: The Return, alright. A return to pain that can't be healed, crimes that can't be solved, wrongs that can't be righted. We drank full. We descended. There's no way up and out again.

but i'm not dying on this hill because fuck dying on hills any more xp

the eternal return

Oh, I don't think anyone ever posted one possible answer to the ending diner scene where the actors are different between shots of someone coming in and shouting "Where's Billy?"

We learned since then that the whole Billy subplot was basically just part of Audrey's plot, and (as someone else mentioned upthread) all of Sherilyn Fenn's scenes were shot later. So the inconsistency could just be a result of filming a new diner scene shot with "Where's Billy?", coupled with an older diner shot. And that could also go either way as to whether the discrepancy was intentional or not, given however the hell we're supposed to think about or interpret what happened with Audrey.

this show in the past was a huge influence on the video game Silent Hill. To cut a long story short, every time you reset the Silent Hill PS1 game it essentially reset the loop. Essentially you could never really beat the game in an abstract sense. Twin Peaks finale reminds me of this, it was a beautiful experience but not a lot has changed since the Season 2 file - this is a game that will never end.

Oh, I don't think anyone ever posted one possible answer to the ending diner scene where the actors are different between shots of someone coming in and shouting "Where's Billy?"

this was key, also important to note it was at the end of 7. timelines are parallel & then superimposed - the 8 is infinity, the eternal return. ross otm - it is a loop and Cooper is lost forever, a Blue Rose.

so...i'm not out to "solve" the show because i think that it definitely not the point.

BUT...what about diane's final scene with cooper? when they drove to the motel and he was acting so weird, i thought it was a flashback to him raping her that she referenced earlier. i was sure of it. especially when she saw her doppelganger. i thought that this was the moment, just after OG twin peaks, when they both split into evil/good versions of themselves. but then they appear to have sort of normal sort of totally creepy sex, but nothing criminal. then it's the next morning, and there's a note from Linda, addressed to Richard (which made me think of "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight").

i don't know what to think of all of that. it was right after the part where they pull off the highway and it's clear that there is some sort of line that they're about to cross, together. they're themselves after that, but not. almost orthogonal lives, or something. weirrrrd.

cooper in the Judy's restaurant seemed like a bix of bad coop/good coop, holding a gun the whole time

*mix

yeah, i had the same thought about coop in that final episode. characteristics of both the good and evil version.

i thought it was a flashback to him raping her that she referenced earlier. i was sure of it.

I couldn't really make this make sense to myself but I thought it too

feels sad to think it's just this endless purgatory and cooper is mutating

cooper in the Judy's restaurant seemed like a bix of bad coop/good coop, holding a gun the whole time

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:49 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*mix

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:49 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i had the same thought about coop in that final episode. characteristics of both the good and evil version.

― Karl Malone, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:50 (fifty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's what i mean about the full coop being in part 18, and the coop in the whole of the original twin peaks being half a coop (the good doppelgänger)

like... they've retconned '90s dale cooper to be the good half of the complete dale cooper

sorry man, i'm not capturing this fully - can you explain?

yeah that's what i mean about the full coop being in part 18, and the coop in the whole of the original twin peaks being half a coop (the good doppelgänger)

yeah, possibly. but i don't think it's by any means a definitive interpretation.

also a mystery...when coop is leading laura palmer through the woods, saving her from dying in the original twin peaks timeline. but...where does she go? he's holding her hand, she disappears, she screams?

Once they pulled up to the motel my heart sank and I knew the ending would be knotty and fucked up & offer no immediate conclusion or resolution. I could've sworn I saw Cooper's hair & face change in between shots during the sex scene, right before Diane covered his face with her hands. I think like someone (brilliantly) pointed out wayyy upthread, just as Dougie-Coop was extremely "metaphysically punch-drunk," this iteration of Cooper is just a little off, and in a different way. He's not more or less good - he's slightly impaired, hesitant, rigid, and emotionally flat. he's not terrifying like Mr. C, even when he's constantly pointing his gun in Judy's diner, he's kind of bumbling about. Frying the guns felt like a very weak Mr. C move. So this Coop - the one that went in with the intention of stopping Laura's death - ends up completely fucked up in another way, in a parallel world full of equally horrifying and incongruous things.

as much as i am resisting analysis of the finale of any sort, i do not think autumn almanac is right about the divided coops