Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

this:

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I'm thinking of the little man's last word in the missing pieces: "there is nowhere to go...but...HOME!"

& the doppelgänger's "I've never really left home, gordon". Coop's taking Laura home at the end of fwwm, nu-Dougie arrives home, we end on a no-place like home

we live inside a dream

"The home is a place where things can go wrong"

the only glimmer of sense i can make of any of this is that the dale cooper we saw in original twin peaks was good-guy dale cooper, the one we saw in fwwm was bad-guy dale cooper, and the one we just saw in part 18 was the actual proper dale cooper before/after he was split off into good dale and bad dale. that would explain why dale was so impossibly impeachably good in the original show — he was only half the original dale cooper.

Rolling Stone:

So ends the con job that Lynch and Frost telegraphed from the season's subtitle, The Return, on down. After all, the original Twin Peaks ended in the worst possible way: goodness corrupted, evil triumphant. Fire Walk With Me hinted at a way forward, only to linger on cruelty and suffering. Certainly nothing in Lynch's intervening filmography indicated that this story would have a happy ending. Why wouldn't we wind up right back where we started: an unspeakable violation, carving a hole in the moral fabric of the universe that no one, not even the whitest of knights, is capable of making whole?

This is Twin Peaks: The Return, alright. A return to pain that can't be healed, crimes that can't be solved, wrongs that can't be righted. We drank full. We descended. There's no way up and out again.

but i'm not dying on this hill because fuck dying on hills any more xp

the eternal return

Oh, I don't think anyone ever posted one possible answer to the ending diner scene where the actors are different between shots of someone coming in and shouting "Where's Billy?"

We learned since then that the whole Billy subplot was basically just part of Audrey's plot, and (as someone else mentioned upthread) all of Sherilyn Fenn's scenes were shot later. So the inconsistency could just be a result of filming a new diner scene shot with "Where's Billy?", coupled with an older diner shot. And that could also go either way as to whether the discrepancy was intentional or not, given however the hell we're supposed to think about or interpret what happened with Audrey.

this show in the past was a huge influence on the video game Silent Hill. To cut a long story short, every time you reset the Silent Hill PS1 game it essentially reset the loop. Essentially you could never really beat the game in an abstract sense. Twin Peaks finale reminds me of this, it was a beautiful experience but not a lot has changed since the Season 2 file - this is a game that will never end.

Oh, I don't think anyone ever posted one possible answer to the ending diner scene where the actors are different between shots of someone coming in and shouting "Where's Billy?"

this was key, also important to note it was at the end of 7. timelines are parallel & then superimposed - the 8 is infinity, the eternal return. ross otm - it is a loop and Cooper is lost forever, a Blue Rose.

so...i'm not out to "solve" the show because i think that it definitely not the point.

BUT...what about diane's final scene with cooper? when they drove to the motel and he was acting so weird, i thought it was a flashback to him raping her that she referenced earlier. i was sure of it. especially when she saw her doppelganger. i thought that this was the moment, just after OG twin peaks, when they both split into evil/good versions of themselves. but then they appear to have sort of normal sort of totally creepy sex, but nothing criminal. then it's the next morning, and there's a note from Linda, addressed to Richard (which made me think of "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight").

i don't know what to think of all of that. it was right after the part where they pull off the highway and it's clear that there is some sort of line that they're about to cross, together. they're themselves after that, but not. almost orthogonal lives, or something. weirrrrd.

cooper in the Judy's restaurant seemed like a bix of bad coop/good coop, holding a gun the whole time

*mix

yeah, i had the same thought about coop in that final episode. characteristics of both the good and evil version.

i thought it was a flashback to him raping her that she referenced earlier. i was sure of it.

I couldn't really make this make sense to myself but I thought it too

feels sad to think it's just this endless purgatory and cooper is mutating

cooper in the Judy's restaurant seemed like a bix of bad coop/good coop, holding a gun the whole time

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:49 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:49 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i had the same thought about coop in that final episode. characteristics of both the good and evil version.

― Karl Malone, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:50 (fifty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's what i mean about the full coop being in part 18, and the coop in the whole of the original twin peaks being half a coop (the good doppelgänger)

like... they've retconned '90s dale cooper to be the good half of the complete dale cooper

sorry man, i'm not capturing this fully - can you explain?

yeah that's what i mean about the full coop being in part 18, and the coop in the whole of the original twin peaks being half a coop (the good doppelgänger)

yeah, possibly. but i don't think it's by any means a definitive interpretation.

also a mystery...when coop is leading laura palmer through the woods, saving her from dying in the original twin peaks timeline. but...where does she go? he's holding her hand, she disappears, she screams?

Once they pulled up to the motel my heart sank and I knew the ending would be knotty and fucked up & offer no immediate conclusion or resolution. I could've sworn I saw Cooper's hair & face change in between shots during the sex scene, right before Diane covered his face with her hands. I think like someone (brilliantly) pointed out wayyy upthread, just as Dougie-Coop was extremely "metaphysically punch-drunk," this iteration of Cooper is just a little off, and in a different way. He's not more or less good - he's slightly impaired, hesitant, rigid, and emotionally flat. he's not terrifying like Mr. C, even when he's constantly pointing his gun in Judy's diner, he's kind of bumbling about. Frying the guns felt like a very weak Mr. C move. So this Coop - the one that went in with the intention of stopping Laura's death - ends up completely fucked up in another way, in a parallel world full of equally horrifying and incongruous things.

as much as i am resisting analysis of the finale of any sort, i do not think autumn almanac is right about the divided coops

he's holding her hand, she disappears, she screams?

― Karl Malone, Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 AM (eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this scream and the scream at the end of 18 might've been the same - another instance of events happening simultaneously in different timelines/universes, & out of order to the audience

I'm the woods, we hear the sound of her death scream over the sound of the train she died in

In front of the house, her scream was preceded briefly by the horrible Sarah palmer caterwauling sound

I'm = in

Pretty sure the scream at the end of 17 was the same scream from part 2, when she gets sucked up out of the Lodge

great post by flappy bird

Yeah I feel like Lynch is making a commentary on the expectations of the audience. We get Cooper back, but just long enough to feel some sort of fan service. Him fighting the patrons in the Judy's restaurant was such a pay-off. But in the end he is a deterioration of his former self so that it's not a total reward either. Lynch gives as much as he takes, and I feel like in this show he delivered by making one feel unresolved about the end result. Ambiguity is a huge part of life

as much as i am resisting analysis of the finale of any sort, i do not think autumn almanac is right about the divided coops

already doubting it myself tbh. just having trouble understanding why he has such strong bob-cooper vocal inflection in part 18.

Pretty sure the scream at the end of 17 was the same scream from part 2, when she gets sucked up out of the Lodge

Yeah I thought so too

Normies: I sure hope Cooper has a slice of pie at the ol RR in the finale!
David Lynch: Cooper is now called Richard and he fries guns

— Ally (@allyzay) September 4, 2017

The ending was perfect. I was honestly rather nonplussed by most of the episode until the very last minute. Then the lights in that house went out and she screamed and I FELT "it".

18 is already on my best-of Lynch shortlist, it was amazing, so calm yet unbearably tense, I feel hollowed out inside right now

i think there's something to the idea that in part 18 he is a sort of middle ground between the two. it's hard to imagine special agent dale cooper barely nodding in response to the waitress' offer of coffee, then shooting some asshole in the foot without flinching, then melting down the guns in a vat of oil. that's not special agent dale cooper. but it's also not evil cooper. i don't know if it's supposed to be the "real" him, combining good and evil, or not, but it's probably someone else. but granting all that, i don't think that implies anything about a split into pure good and evil and the cooper in the original twin peaks being a false "good" version of the real thing.

xposts to AA

that was some damn good television

w o w to all of this.....what a satisfying season this has been

Don't know if anyone's pointed it out but...Vastly different motel/location in the morning from the one Diane and Cooper arrive at the previous night. Everything just becomes fluid - and (more) fucked - once the "border" is crossed.

Finished the show an hour ago and I'm feeling a kind of stunned grief-- such was the authority of that final episode

xpost
oh, i didn't notice that! for some reason i was preoccupied with the fact that he didn't pay for the room before leaving

Xpost yeah cooper has a much nicer car in the morning

karl: yeah, we can't assume anything is implied in this final part, i just keep coming back to last month's fairly explicit callback to fwwm, implying pretty strongly that that coop (speaking to jeffries) was the bob coop, or at least not the coop we thought he was. on one hand, that feels to me like a deliberate setup for this finale. on the other hand, this whole series was packed to bursting point with setups that went nowhere (which is why i'm not dwelling too hard on this theory).

where are they hosting the support group for that finale

You're looking at it ;_;

someone should make a thread for withdrawal & support community just like after Breaking Bad ended

a cheers to my twin peaks fans, a track i made (demo) in the spirit of TP

https://rossmontgomery.bandcamp.com/track/laura-palmer-owes-me-money

I'm not going to pretend that I'm not incredibly frustrated by that ending. But I can't wait to rewatch the entire thing now that my expectations have been completely burned away.

is there going to be some sort of awards ceremony we can arrange? can we give naomi watts some sort of gigantic trophy?

Very grateful to check the email post-TP:TR and see a whole bunch of great music just was released; keeps the/a void from opening tbh
But yeah, where do we go from here?

https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/