Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

as much as i am resisting analysis of the finale of any sort, i do not think autumn almanac is right about the divided coops

he's holding her hand, she disappears, she screams?

― Karl Malone, Monday, September 4, 2017 12:54 AM (eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this scream and the scream at the end of 18 might've been the same - another instance of events happening simultaneously in different timelines/universes, & out of order to the audience

I'm the woods, we hear the sound of her death scream over the sound of the train she died in

In front of the house, her scream was preceded briefly by the horrible Sarah palmer caterwauling sound

I'm = in

Pretty sure the scream at the end of 17 was the same scream from part 2, when she gets sucked up out of the Lodge

great post by flappy bird

Yeah I feel like Lynch is making a commentary on the expectations of the audience. We get Cooper back, but just long enough to feel some sort of fan service. Him fighting the patrons in the Judy's restaurant was such a pay-off. But in the end he is a deterioration of his former self so that it's not a total reward either. Lynch gives as much as he takes, and I feel like in this show he delivered by making one feel unresolved about the end result. Ambiguity is a huge part of life

as much as i am resisting analysis of the finale of any sort, i do not think autumn almanac is right about the divided coops

already doubting it myself tbh. just having trouble understanding why he has such strong bob-cooper vocal inflection in part 18.

Pretty sure the scream at the end of 17 was the same scream from part 2, when she gets sucked up out of the Lodge

Yeah I thought so too

Normies: I sure hope Cooper has a slice of pie at the ol RR in the finale!
David Lynch: Cooper is now called Richard and he fries guns

— Ally (@allyzay) September 4, 2017

The ending was perfect. I was honestly rather nonplussed by most of the episode until the very last minute. Then the lights in that house went out and she screamed and I FELT "it".

18 is already on my best-of Lynch shortlist, it was amazing, so calm yet unbearably tense, I feel hollowed out inside right now

i think there's something to the idea that in part 18 he is a sort of middle ground between the two. it's hard to imagine special agent dale cooper barely nodding in response to the waitress' offer of coffee, then shooting some asshole in the foot without flinching, then melting down the guns in a vat of oil. that's not special agent dale cooper. but it's also not evil cooper. i don't know if it's supposed to be the "real" him, combining good and evil, or not, but it's probably someone else. but granting all that, i don't think that implies anything about a split into pure good and evil and the cooper in the original twin peaks being a false "good" version of the real thing.

xposts to AA

that was some damn good television

w o w to all of this.....what a satisfying season this has been

Don't know if anyone's pointed it out but...Vastly different motel/location in the morning from the one Diane and Cooper arrive at the previous night. Everything just becomes fluid - and (more) fucked - once the "border" is crossed.

Finished the show an hour ago and I'm feeling a kind of stunned grief-- such was the authority of that final episode

xpost
oh, i didn't notice that! for some reason i was preoccupied with the fact that he didn't pay for the room before leaving

Xpost yeah cooper has a much nicer car in the morning

karl: yeah, we can't assume anything is implied in this final part, i just keep coming back to last month's fairly explicit callback to fwwm, implying pretty strongly that that coop (speaking to jeffries) was the bob coop, or at least not the coop we thought he was. on one hand, that feels to me like a deliberate setup for this finale. on the other hand, this whole series was packed to bursting point with setups that went nowhere (which is why i'm not dwelling too hard on this theory).

where are they hosting the support group for that finale

You're looking at it ;_;

someone should make a thread for withdrawal & support community just like after Breaking Bad ended

a cheers to my twin peaks fans, a track i made (demo) in the spirit of TP

https://rossmontgomery.bandcamp.com/track/laura-palmer-owes-me-money

I'm not going to pretend that I'm not incredibly frustrated by that ending. But I can't wait to rewatch the entire thing now that my expectations have been completely burned away.

is there going to be some sort of awards ceremony we can arrange? can we give naomi watts some sort of gigantic trophy?

Very grateful to check the email post-TP:TR and see a whole bunch of great music just was released; keeps the/a void from opening tbh
But yeah, where do we go from here?

https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/

it seems… odd that andy was fed so much apparently-specific information only to stick naido in a cage. the show is full of these setups that seem to go nowhere. maybe the ultimate theme of this series is that nothing goes to plan and that we shouldn't try so hard (which tbh perfectly echoes the last two years of my life, so it resonates very very strongly).

i know it's corny i posted that link to a twin peaks tribute, but this show means a lot to me...

not corny at all. this show has actually meant a lot to me, like for real. this is probably the worst year of my life (so far) and it has been a giant fucking shining beacon of GOOD every sunday night that i looked forward to, like the one thing that i could count on to go right every week.

this show has been so engrossing...makes me long for more serialized art like it. hard to find these days.

As KM said, not corny in the least. I feel the show, like Mulholland Drive, has has a massive impact on, even changed my life... and quite a few others too, it seems

Gosh she (Cruise) thinks highly of herself. Met her once years ago - we have a mutual friend - and she was divaish as hell then.

Karl, what you said about counting on this show is exactly how I feel

julee cruise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgbRFhrtAr0

There won't be another tv show like this

as much as i'm resistant to the urge to "solve" the show, i am looking forward to reading what others make of the final episode over the next week or two. in the aftermath of mulholland i was very, very confused, and even more so for inland empire. later on it was a lot of fun to read different theories on both of those films. even if they weren't definitive takes on it, and there are some aspects of both films that will just always be ambiguous in meaning, it's a joy to go back and watch it again with someone's grand theory in mind.

Karl, what you said about counting on this show is exactly how I feel

― Week of Wonders (Ross)

if that's really true, than *hugs* over the internet from me to you, big big *hugs*, because you know exactly what i mean

this shitty, shitty year, juxtaposed with these amazing, invigorating 1-hour bursts every weekend, has been almost disorienting

i think what's beautiful about Lynch is one can watch his work and have an aesthetic and emotional response to it, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a theory or lead to anything. I guess what I mean is, watching Inalnd Empire I felt like that was the perfect encapsulation of the dead-end celebrity narrative, but anyone can read anything into his movies. And to me the sensory aspects of them elevate them

thanks Karl, you're great

I'm not going to pretend that I'm not incredibly frustrated by that ending. But I can't wait to rewatch the entire thing now that my expectations have been completely burned away.

― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:18 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i had the biggest case of mental blue balls at the end, but having rewatched the highlights of part 18 a few times, i'm starting to step away from my preconceptions of what this show was and what it was doing.

it feels like the audience reaction was very much part of the narrative. some of the clues were so obvious (the flickering plane windows, the "drink full and descend" mantra, audrey waking up) that we were clearly expected to get to work solving puzzles, only to find that there was no solution to be found. much like dale is discovering in that very last scene.

ordinarily i'd feel self-conscious about reeling off hottakes but i think every viewer has at least three on the go atm.

one thing i'm absolutely certain of is that discussing the show with all of you has been a proper delight, especially in a year (as per karl's and ross's comments) that has been a shitshow for so many reasons. this was hands down the best place anywhere to discuss twin peaks. thanks so much for being curious and positive and insightful throughout the entire run.

xxp yes, his films blossom in my mind. every time i walk away nonplussed, perplexed, or pissed off (like tonite), it just starts to open up and grow...

Karl summed up the audience thesis w/r/t the glass box in 1 very well either in this thread or the other one

Yeah I just want to marinate in the emotion for now - I'm sure people will dig up some good mark frost plotty arcana like whatever the name of the demon was that got corrupted to "Judy" (hilarious btw) but personally don't have any new ideas, only old ones like the fact that Laura and Cooper are dreaming each other and always have been

the middle of the series was full of exposition, straightforward storytelling, & the beginning & end of the series were full of anxiety and utter dread. 8 = the eternal return

There's something incredibly perverse about the fact that "Dougie" and his family seem to be the only ones who got a fan service-y happy ending.

and norma and big ed!

Lucy understood cellphones