Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Yeah I could see that too. It feels like cheating to break down the season this way, but it seems like it was a lot of different dreams. Laura's, at the end, according to the most plausible theory. Dale's, most likely, at some point, because of his vision at the sheriff's department. Audrey's, because you know (most of the shit that made no sense and didn't tie into anything else seems to fall into the Audrey cat). Cole's, because we literally saw some of it is his dream. So yeah, fuck it, Ed could be dreaming too

Wait, that weird line about the Mitchum brothers having "hearts of gold" ... are we maybe to think that THEY TOO are manufactured from golden seeds?

If it's all just dreams then why dies anything we've watched over 18 episodes actually matter?

i mean if anything this show thoroughly believes that dreams are not distinct from reality but are connected to the edge of it, so even though i don't think this season can be divided up into the dreams of individual characters (idk it just doesn't seem interesting to me), it would still actually matter yeah imo

i do think the majority of the show took place in a kind of reality as much as the fbi scenes in fwwm take place in a kind of reality, and then the last episode folds up time in a weird way and takes us to a harrowing inexplicable new space beyond reality and beyond the lodge imo

which could also be characterized as a dream

http://i.imgur.com/InN2wPF.png

Did anyone think the scene where Cooper leads Laura away from her Death was an unreleased outtake from FWWM? I really couldn't tell if that was young or old Coop in that scene. Looked like it was young Laura though. I thought I had seen all the missing pieces but may have missed one.

i don't have much to add to what i've read of the discussion. i will say that i'm more than satisfied. i'll take norma and ed getting together being the only open and shut story line. i should have known with them getting such a beautiful ending, nothing else was going to be resolved so easily.

xpost yeah that tripped me up too. i kept asking the friend i was with, who was marginally more sober than i, wtf was going on. i also got a good laugh from cooper greeting the giant tea kettle with a casual 'Phillip?' I had made an off the cuff 'phillip jeffries i presume' joke merely seconds before!

please be specific

xp Michael I'm pretty sure it was present day Kyle and Sheryl in the leading-away scene, lit in a way that made their age ambiguous.

Laura walking thru woods with 2017 Cooper seemed to be deliberately out of focus/in shadows when she was facing the camera. May have been Sherilyn Fenn in a wig ? There was something not-quite-FWWM-era about the way she looked.

MatthewK beat me to it

Man julee cruise is a nut case

Meanwhile

David Lynch talking about Twin Peaks & disrupting time in 1995, in Chris Rodley's great Lynch on Lynch book... pic.twitter.com/boWV2LEmWk

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) September 4, 2017

guess he changed his mind about something other than lunch coming out of it, though.

The man who has been shot through the head in Carrie Page's house isn't credited. Did the actor look familiar to anyone?

What are people associating 'little girl who lives down the lane' with? I only have Baa Baa Black Sheep (although that's usually 'boy'), but folks seem to be talking about something else.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0074806/

the book:

"It is about a 13-year-old girl named Rynn Jacobs who lives alone in a house, and murders people who threaten her solitary life."

so it's Laura then?

Thanks Maura - I've even seen that, it just didn't come to mind.

- my girlfriend who read The Secret History mentions there's lots of talk of rocket engineer and L. Ron Hubbard's occult sex rituals that were intended to conjure evil spirits.
- the Experiment (Judy?) appears in the glass box when Sam and Tracy begin to have sex.
- the love scene between Cooper and Diane has an almost ritualistic, robotic feel. They seem unsure how to initiate it at first. What they are trying to accomplish I don't know, but Diane disappears afterward, and Cooper is in a different hotel with a different car and a different name.

Sorry, 1st paragraph should have read "rocket engineer and L. Ron Hubbard's cohort Jack Parsons"

The books are perhaps problematic to the 'dream' theories. Presumably Tammy can't write them if Laura doesn't die, but we have them.

(But I think such problems are taking the time-travel element too seriously)

The ending of Back to the Future vaguely horrified me as a kid. I didn't understand why it had this triumphal tone when he clearly fucked up. His real parents were gone forever and had been replaced by these parallel universe analogues. Lynch gets it, though.

I'm now pretty certain Judy (possibly acting through Sarah Palmer) was who/what was talking to Mr. C on the phone in the motel room in season 2. Judy tells him that she (it?) missed him in New York, where she had just been killing Sam and Tracy. There's no one else besides MIKE who would want "to be with BOB again" that badly either, since Judy is the Mother. Philip Jeffries tells Mr. C he already met Judy; he means when they talked on the phone.

This naturally assumes that Judy and "Experiment" are the same entity

it seems 'likely' that judy is the 'experiment' is the 'mother' which births BOB and is very possibly inside Sarah Palmer (although if Sarah is the girl who ate the bug that doesn't really make sense)... but it could all be something else. there is very little in the show to let you know definitively one way or the other.

I thought of the Experiment as something created by the atomic explosion, not as an ancient entity, but I'm not gonna say it's impossible.

I don't think the atomic explosion necessarily created Judy but opened a rift for it to enter.

want to read something incredibly long and wrong but which occasionally seems to shed light on certain aspects of the show, particularly the idea that there are multiple "realities" happening at once, but then goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard with an interpretation of the symbolism of 1 and 2 and 3 (and 4) (and many other numbers) to an absolutely fucking absurd degree?

https://medium.com/@fatecolossal/the-dream-of-time-and-space-breaking-the-code-of-twin-peaks-f11484915098

Given that we also see the Experiment passing through the glass box, it's entirely possible/likely that it traverses the different... spatio-temporal apparatuses we get a glimpse of, in one way or another. Cooper does it as well, after all. I'm still not sure at all about the Sarah = bug-eating girl theory but pretty much take the idea that the Experiment is Judy for granted at this point, as well as the idea that Sarah is in some way connected to Judy (possibly through the way her grief opened her up, as was mentioned above, rather than any direct bug-related possession). The Sarah/Judy connection is so very strongly implied by Cooper bringing Laura/Carrie to the Palmer family house (as part of the plan mentioned by Gordon at the start of Episode 17) that it strikes me as one of the least ambiguous things we can get out of this finale (but who really knows etc.)

Sarah stabbing the photo of Laura v reminiscent of opening shot of FWWM

(Also, what is very likely the Experiment appears on Hawk's map, which itself serves as a signifier of ancientness)

Lynch tomorrow when everyone asks about Part 18 #TwinPeaks pic.twitter.com/uSJmR0mcIx

— Scott 🌹 (@scott325) September 4, 2017

I think there are problematic elements this season (mostly involving violence/treatment of women), but the deep, twisting mystery that never fully reveals it secrets despite a seemingly endless momentum of clues is one of my favorites things ever.

Don't think we've mentioned this yet: when Carrie Page opens the door for Cooper she asks "Did you find him?" When Cooper doesn't answer she says "So you're telling me you didn't find him?" Another instance of Looking For Billy (presumably) as an indicator of time or consciousness being out of joint.

oh whoa i forgot about that

btw this rules

Here's a 1990 SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE parody of TWIN PEAKS starring Kyle MacLachlan, whose performance is superb. https://t.co/QfzKOEZA0W pic.twitter.com/6OfK0WKz29

— Matt Zoller Seitz (@mattzollerseitz) September 5, 2017

Also I wonder if Mark Frost knew all this when they first cast Grace Z.

In the early 1960s, Zabriskie was among a circle of Kerry Thornley's New Orleans friends. At one point, Thornley began work on a novel about her called Can Grace Come Out and Play?[1] Thornley later claimed to have had an "eight-year-long, off-again-on-again, affair/friendship/rivalry/ego-game/karmic unraveling" with her, though Zabriskie described it as "four and a half minutes in bed".[6]

Her sister Jane Caplinger worked as a typist in New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison’s office. Caplinger is reputed to have covertly produced all five copies of the first edition of the Principia Discordia in 1965.[7]

(Thornley's bonkers wiki for reference)

Whoa that's dope as hell.

xxp fyi that SNL skit has Kevin Nealon as Harry, Chris Farley as Leo, Phil Hartman as Leland, Victoria Jackson as Audrey, Jan Hooks as Nadine & the Log Lady, Mike Myers as the Man from Another Place, Conan O'Brien as Andy

Yeah that SNL skit is classic. KM plays it just like he would on the show.

whoa that's so awesome about Grace!

hope someone out there can help parse the final Jeffries scene.. there's def some psychic mind meld, info upload thing going on.

Norma's going to carry on making cherry pie the way she thinks best, not to please some random suit no one's ever heard of.

having had 24 hours to parse all this, i've turned around completely. lynch and frost are monstrously clever. i thought they were a step ahead of us the whole way, but it turns out they were light years ahead. to be blindingly original and wrong-foot everyone in today's avalanche of prestige/peak tv is no small achievement.

i'm also grateful to have watched this as it went out, with good people like you all to discuss it with, and with no expectation of the outcome.

anyone who starts watching it now will be told things like "you're wasting your time" or "the ending is fucking stupid", which is an incredible shame for prospective viewers. in hindsight the ending is complete genius because it's completely unexpected, because it gives us a whole new reason to rewatch the entire thing (which i will definitely do), and most importantly because it puts us in dale's shoes as the detective who follows all the wrong clues but never gives up. in that very last scene he's as disappointed, deflated and paradoxically determined as we are: just as he realises he's spent all this time trying like hell to solve this unsolvable thing, so do we; but you can see in his face that he won't give up, and neither will we.

honestly, a neat and tidy conclusion would have been a crappy letdown compared to this.