Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Man, all this stuff about Coop failing in the end, being defeated, etc: I can kind of see it, but there's very, very little textual support for the amount of attention that's being given to this line of thought, it seems to me.

Will Cooper ever get to settle down and buy some property in Twin Peaks????? goddamnit david

i don't see Cooper as defeated at all. in fact it's the opposite. he is still continuing the fight. even though he knows it is literally impossible he continues on. so what if he is trapped in an alternate dimension for some of it - he has done that before! we may have had a whole series about it.

Wouldn't the prices at the Valero gas station be a clue what year it is?

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actually one version of Coop is settling down, but with Janey as Dougie (and I did have a question as to why Dougie/Coop says "home" when he goes back to Vegas. Did he really think he was Dougie, or does he have real Coop's memory, and is knowingly playing a part?)

Man, all this stuff about Coop failing in the end, being defeated, etc: I can kind of see it, but there's very, very little textual support for the amount of attention that's being given to this line of thought, it seems to me.

You don't think he seems noticeably bumbling & dazed & out of it after he wakes up in Odessa? He couldn't escape the loop. He couldn't prevent evil from coming into existence. He thought he could & he ended up in a place far more vast & confusing than the Black Lodge.

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actually one version of Coop is settling down, but with Janey as Dougie (and I did have a question as to why Dougie/Coop says "home" when he goes back to Vegas. Did he really think he was Dougie, or does he have real Coop's memory, and is knowingly playing a part?)

― Dominique, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:26 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

isn't he just doing the dougie repeating thing?

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actually one version of Coop is settling down, but with Janey as Dougie (and I did have a question as to why Dougie/Coop says "home" when he goes back to Vegas. Did he really think he was Dougie, or does he have real Coop's memory, and is knowingly playing a part?)

yes this is the silver lining of the otherwise unrelenting bleakness of 18. He not only saved Dougie & his family, he improved their lives & improved Dougie. Good q re: is it Dougie or Coop - either one is a nice ending.

he seemed dazed all season as Dougie. still didn't matter.

i think we need to seriously think about what a "happy ending" to this would have been. it's completely unrealistic. there is no happy ending. Cooper doesn't care, he still wants to try.

Re season 4 I'd much rather Showtime or someone else throw money at Lynch to make a new project. As elastic as TP is for him and Frost I don't think it properly exists for them without revolving in some way around the murder of Laura Palmer, which feels kind of wrung out at this point. Plus so many of the original cast being deceased or MIA, plus I'd rather just move on.

Cooper isn't going to defeat all evil finally forever. that is silly. that ending is just as absurd as green glove kid punching Bob.

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also, remember that the electricity "going out" can also mean a surge of electricity, too much electricity. my first reaction when i saw it was to think that evil had come to this hitherto normal household.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 10:50 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Season 4 -- Twin Peaks: The Checking of the Palmer's Breaker Box

Did we know that Ray was snitching to the FBI?

"Has my watch stopped, or was that one of the Marx brothers?"

btw I have to give full credit to Chrysta Bell for her reading of "He electrocuted himself by sticking a fork.. in a wall socket"

Ray was clearly passing info to someone but I think it was left unclear, even meant to be misdirection.

no they specifically said he was an informant in the big ep. 17 exposition scene at the beginning

an fbi informant that is

man Albert getting no dialogue whatsoever in twin peaks

Yeah sorry, I meant prior to that.

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Man, all this stuff about Coop failing in the end, being defeated, etc: I can kind of see it, but there's very, very little textual support for the amount of attention that's being given to this line of thought, it seems to me.

― Dan I., Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:24 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I can't speak to the accuracy of this interpretation, could well be true, but that narrative falls real flat for me. Cooper failing at the end of S2 was powerful, because we'd spent two seasons with him and seen the limits of his goodness. Ditto Naomi Watts being pushed to the edge in Mulholland Drive, b/c we'd spent much of the movie with her. But Cooper failing at the end of an 18-hour odyssey he was barely a player in for the first 16 episodes is really unsatisfying. Why did he fail? Why did he do anything he did? It was hard to tell, because we'd hardly spent any time with him

Ray actually addressed the person on the phone as Philip so I think all the stuff he says before dying is true - what this means re the FBI snitch reveal is just unfathomable

Albert and Tammy relaying all the info on Dougie after just glancing around at the machines was pretty amusing.

She pulled the info off the computer file on Douglas Jones sent to them by the Las Vegas field office.

/Man, all this stuff about Coop failing in the end, being defeated, etc: I can kind of see it, but there's very, very little textual support for the amount of attention that's being given to this line of thought, it seems to me.

― Dan I., Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:24 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink/

Yeah I can't speak to the accuracy of this interpretation, could well be true, but that narrative falls real flat for me. Cooper failing at the end of S2 was powerful, because we'd spent two seasons with him and seen the limits of his goodness. Ditto Naomi Watts being pushed to the edge in Mulholland Drive, b/c we'd spent much of the movie with her. But Cooper failing at the end of an 18-hour odyssey he was barely a player in for the first 16 episodes is really unsatisfying. Why did he fail? Why did he do anything he did? It was hard to tell, because we'd hardly spent any time with him

apart from the two seasons we spent with him

So, what exactly happened in the scene with Mr. C in a cage by Garland's head? Most of it seems pretty straightforward, but just before he was sent to the TP police dept. parking lot, C was transformed into... something. I thought it was a monkey on first viewing, but it's not. It looks like a bristle brush and a marble? Is it maybe a golden ball and a shock of hair (i.e. the components for constructing a Tulpa)!?

(this question not related to the "did Coop fail" thing)

he didn't fail tho! all season he was constantly winning without even trying. he even went back in time and stopped Laura from ever dying in the first place.

I haven't rewatched since the first time but I thought it was just his head from a rear angle lol

it's a bezoar

Oh yeah that! I forgot about that, but it stood out while viewing. Bristly hair was sticking out between the bars- it made me think of a porcupine almost

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he even went back in time and stopped Laura from ever dying in the first place

this is an odd interpretation

Yeah seriously

did you miss when the wrapped in plastic disappeared BTTF style?

*screaming intensifies*

Yeah, it seemed clear to me that that's what happened! That's why Judy (in Sarah) was so pissed off! She (It) had been foiled

how great was it when Sheriff Truman has Bad Cooper in his office, looks right at him, and says, "Cooper.. Cooper."

he had shit figured out

"C was transformed into... something. I thought it was a monkey on first viewing, but it's not. It looks like a bristle brush and a marble? Is it maybe a golden ball and a shock of hair (i.e. the components for constructing a Tulpa)!?"

you mean when he's walking away in the parking lot? you're just looking at the back of his head; it kind of looked like his FBI pin was being used to hold up his shit ponytail

i love how ambiguous the ending is. it could be Laura's dream. it could be Cooper's dream from season 1. the first time he enters the Lodge and is 25 years older is in a dream.

also fwiw i don't entire buy that Sarah is possessed so much as the house is a super conduit for negative vibes.

The story ends with a confused Cooper and Carrie/Laura screaming out of pure fear/terror. How is this not a failed venture? *scratching head*

Was gonna ask if you guys stopped watching at part 17 but even then...

twin peaks is a good show because no one can agree even on the most basic elements of what happened
like at this point i feel like i could say "kyle maclachlan starred in twin peaks" and someone would have somehow missed that or be convinced that it was a different actor
this is not a dig at anyone, i have missed important stuff too

Can't remember if someone mentioned this above, but the moment Laura disappears while holding Cooper's hand in the woods, isn't the sound that plays (before the curtain flapping and laura screaming sounds) the Fireman's record player sound from back in ep. 3 ?

akm: no, in the cage before he is sent back to the parking lot

apart from the two seasons we spent with him

That's a cheat, though. The Return was an 18-hour work meant to stand on its own, just like fwwm did but on a more epic scale, so ending it with a "here's what this season says about a character sidelined for 94% of the series and that we hadn't seen for 25 years before that" feels empty

did you miss when the wrapped in plastic disappeared BTTF style?

...except then Laura disappears while he's trying to lead her out of the woods (presumably back to the White Lodge idk), Cooper clearly fails to rescue her. He hears the sounds from the opening scene in the first episode ("listen to the sounds") and then she's gone. I took this as a literal "you can't change the past"-type failure on Cooper's part. Which is what drives him to subsequently continue with Diane down the road to the point in the desert by the powerlines, which leads to the other alternate/inverted reality.

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he rescues her from the story line of the original twin peaks but doesn't necessarily save her completely, i.e. protect her from evil/her fate forever

but the body didnt turn up and pete just fished

what is that sound anyway? a record skipping would make sense thematically...

[but the body didnt turn up and pete just fished

soooo.... where does she disappear to?