Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Dang what happens to Ronette then?

She seems to become an American Girl

I suppose my reading of the ending (for now) (and thanks to this thread) is that when Cooper wakes up in the motel and possibly earlier when Diane and him cross the threshold, he's entered a fugue state which it's impossible for him escape from. He's trapped in the lodge but endlessly replaying escape scenarios for Laura. These escape scenarios happen in the real world, not in the twin peaks universe for when characters in the twin peaks universe/the lodge live out these fantasties they live them out in the real world which is their dream world. The year is any time between the end of season two and the beginning of season three when there wasn't a place called Twin Peaks there was only a place called North Bend.

I guess that's kind of obvious to some of you and maybe obvious but discarded to others of you.

Therefore chronologically the last thing that happens in the place called Twin Peaks is when Cooper goes through the door in the Great Northern saying goodbye to Diane and Gordon.

Just for the record the locations aren't exclusively in North Bend/Snoqualmie--the Palmer house is in Everett, just north of Seattle. The Packard home is in Poulsbo, on Puget Sound. And so on. Each of these is an hour or more away from each other, and they're all quite far from the northeastern corner of the state where Twin Peaks is located.

I think what chaki meant when he brought this up is that it's an aesthetic decision meant to bring us a bit closer to our lived-in world, not unlike how the Valero gas station they stop at is less stylized than Big Ed's Gas Farm. It's introducing the eerie notion that our world is one among many, rather than declaring that they've literally entered North Bend.

Also the log where laura is found and the interior of the GN are in/around Suquamish near Bainbridge island.

DOING A TWIN PEAKS TOUR IS FUN BTW IF YOU ARE IN THE AREA SCRAPE A DAY TOGETHER AND DO IT

Gotta be weird whenever a prom queen is murdered there

I can't help but think that when Jeffries draws the 8 for Cooper he's basically saying "go watch episode 8"

cooper in the Judy's restaurant seemed like a bix of bad coop/good coop, holding a gun the whole time

He also seemed a bit like dougie, slow and confused. Wondering where the basket of fries goes, it goes right there you idiot! Both coops/anyone with half a brain would have figured that out. Also saw some dougie mannerisms elsewhere in 17/18 - at one point when he's in the lodge, in the corridor, he pauses, holds his arm out in front of him and walks slowly forward like dougie.

isn't Chalfont something George or John says in 'Revolution 9'? I swear there's a lyric or a sample of "Chalfont" somewhere on The White Album.

Probably a reference to chalfont st giles rhyming slang.

Re: the radical difference in tone between 17/18 and the 'happy' ending of 17, so unexpected, so wonderful, and so cruelly snatched away - I was reminded of legendary UK darts based game show Bullseye (bear with me here). In every episode the grand prize was a mystery, but even if you lost it was revealed to you anyway with the immortal phrase "here's what you could've won".

When Cooper goes through the door at the Great Northern it seems like he becomes "part" of the Lodge for the first time. Mike sounds normal to him. He seems able to exit it more freely by doing the hand-wavy thing at Glastonbury Grove.

Is that hand-wavy thing a thing? That's when I thought he was acting like dougie.

We've never seen the hand-waving to will aside the curtain before. He also physically moves through the Lodge differently. It didn't seem Dougie-like to me. It seemed like he had become like the magician in Mike's poem.

Was there much foreshadowing about that room in the Great Northern being special?

James heard the tone coming from behind that door in an earlier episode.

Yeah I don't see Dougie there at all - he's commanding the part of the curtain that had been "locked" last time he was at this point

I can't remember which sound James heard, what was it?

The ambient ringing tone inside the Great Northern that Ben had been mildly obsessed with.

What happened to the hotel? I might be remembering wrong but it looked like part was shut down or being worked on.

we never got an expansive look at it (like, the lobby or anything); only ben's office and the basement.

I thought he used the key to his old room?

James heard the tone coming from behind that door in an earlier episode

I somehow thought James was in the basement, like heading for the boiler room or something, in that scene...?

It was the boiler room but Cooper's key works in the door.

No, he was in his old room!

The room where he almost died

y'all got selwyned.

WTF does that mean? Diane Selwyned?

the sense of dread and loss betty/ diane experienced at the silencio moment is the best analogy i could come up with for what the viewer experienced when the diegetic reality of the nominal tp world he or she was immersed in dissipated and was replaced by one that's basically our own quotidian world, i guess? with md the reponse was sympathetic, i was there feeling what betty was feeling, but here i'm the betty.

James was in the basement, yes. That is also where, inexplicably, room 315 is now. Or at least the door to it. I know it doesn' tmake any sense.

The woodsmen brought Mr C back to life when Ray shot him dead. They turned up and were doing the same at the Sheriff's, but Mr C stayed dead. Does that suggest that they weren't actually bringing Mr C back to life (either time), but looking after BOB? And so it was BOB that caused Mr C to come back to life the first time, but couldn't this time because he got punched with a green glove

I think he would have come back to life had Other Coop not put the ring on him. That's what Ray failed to do the first time.

Imagine the Bob sphere chasing after Ray's car.

bouncing off the hood

Can anyone bring up Lynch's talk about the possibility of further Twin Peaks? I can't find it and I'm beginning to think I read some fabrication.

I sort of loved how short the credit sequence was at the end of 18, it really brought home the sense of contraction to a point

xpost I dunno, man, I think you're the only one I've seen mention that itt. I haven't heard Lynch say anything about another season, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was just done aside from the occasional short film or concert film about a band no one has cared about for decades.

Sherilyn Fenn said lynch said if there's enough interest he'll do it - I do seem to remember eons ago lynch saying something like "I've learned to never say never" but in a way that seemed more like no than yes to me

so no one's got any theories on Audrey/the Arm/"the story of the little girl that lived down the lane"?

I think the car behind Richard/Coop and Carrie/Laura changing lanes and passing them has something to do with "down the lane"

James was in the basement, yes. That is also where, inexplicably, room 315 is now. Or at least the door to it.

Just co-signing this because I saw some upthread confusion over it yesterday I think. One of the shots of coop walking down the dark hallway is the same as the one James walked down while checking the boiler (which was also when he heard the eerie tone)

Was the door actually labeled as room 315? I must've missed that.

I don't recall seeing a number on the door

I don't think it was labeled. But he used the 315 key to open it

or a key that was on the 315 keychain

right. he used the 315 key (which he had apparently kept with him during his entire 25 years in the Lodge?) and it took him back to the Lodge... for some reason.

Okay, so I guess I was apparently correct in my initial assumption that it was simply a matter of the room 315 key inexplicably working in the boiler room door.

Cooper's old hotel room key magically works in the boiler room lock. Ben said they changed all the guest rooms to electronic locks anyway, he's not going into his old room.

it seems clear that once Cooper comes "back" to OG TP universe, he is intuitively aware of a bunch of other previously unidentified portals/connecting Lodge spaces which he proceeds to move between relatively freely.

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right. he used the 315 key (which he had apparently kept with him during his entire 25 years in the Lodge?)

jade found it, mailed it back to twin peaks, ben found it, talked to sheriff truman about it at length, who then gave it back to cooper in episode 17

Yeah, but he did keep it while he was in the lodge

xxpost That is in keeping with my growing suspicion that the various expressions of Cooper's uncanny intuition throughout the series are less because he's a highly-competent G-man than because he's always been linked to the Lodge, unmoored from time.

i still have my accidentally stolen econolodge keycard from a trip a couple years ago.

some things just stick with you the rest of your life.

*walks like a combo of dougie/bad coop/good coop toward a locked door behind a 7-11 around the corner*

Wins- thanks.

I expected Lynch would have said something by now. Maybe he's hiding like David Chase. There's no chance a bunch of people haven't asked him about more.
I think one of the Showtime guys said they were scheduled to talk after the finale.

Basically, it's as if Cooper binge-watched the entire series before he ever entered Twin Peaks.

spitballin' re: the key - perhaps also significant that it was in Room 315 in the Great Northern where Cooper first had Lodge dream + is visited by Senor Droolcup, so maybe it's just an extension of the that, the Great Northern and that key have always been a portal to Lodge-space.

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