No, he was in his old room!
The room where he almost died
― mh, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link
y'all got selwyned.WTF does that mean? Diane Selwyned?
WTF does that mean? Diane Selwyned?
the sense of dread and loss betty/ diane experienced at the silencio moment is the best analogy i could come up with for what the viewer experienced when the diegetic reality of the nominal tp world he or she was immersed in dissipated and was replaced by one that's basically our own quotidian world, i guess? with md the reponse was sympathetic, i was there feeling what betty was feeling, but here i'm the betty.
― slugbuggy, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:17 (seven years ago) link
James was in the basement, yes. That is also where, inexplicably, room 315 is now. Or at least the door to it. I know it doesn' tmake any sense.
― akm, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link
The woodsmen brought Mr C back to life when Ray shot him dead. They turned up and were doing the same at the Sheriff's, but Mr C stayed dead. Does that suggest that they weren't actually bringing Mr C back to life (either time), but looking after BOB? And so it was BOB that caused Mr C to come back to life the first time, but couldn't this time because he got punched with a green glove
I think he would have come back to life had Other Coop not put the ring on him. That's what Ray failed to do the first time.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Imagine the Bob sphere chasing after Ray's car.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
bouncing off the hood
― mh, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link
Can anyone bring up Lynch's talk about the possibility of further Twin Peaks? I can't find it and I'm beginning to think I read some fabrication.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link
I sort of loved how short the credit sequence was at the end of 18, it really brought home the sense of contraction to a point
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
xpost I dunno, man, I think you're the only one I've seen mention that itt. I haven't heard Lynch say anything about another season, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was just done aside from the occasional short film or concert film about a band no one has cared about for decades.
― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:19 (seven years ago) link
Sherilyn Fenn said lynch said if there's enough interest he'll do it - I do seem to remember eons ago lynch saying something like "I've learned to never say never" but in a way that seemed more like no than yes to me
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
so no one's got any theories on Audrey/the Arm/"the story of the little girl that lived down the lane"?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link
I think the car behind Richard/Coop and Carrie/Laura changing lanes and passing them has something to do with "down the lane"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
James was in the basement, yes. That is also where, inexplicably, room 315 is now. Or at least the door to it.
Just co-signing this because I saw some upthread confusion over it yesterday I think. One of the shots of coop walking down the dark hallway is the same as the one James walked down while checking the boiler (which was also when he heard the eerie tone)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:30 (seven years ago) link
Was the door actually labeled as room 315? I must've missed that.
― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I don't recall seeing a number on the door
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
I don't think it was labeled. But he used the 315 key to open it
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
or a key that was on the 315 keychain
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
right. he used the 315 key (which he had apparently kept with him during his entire 25 years in the Lodge?) and it took him back to the Lodge... for some reason.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Okay, so I guess I was apparently correct in my initial assumption that it was simply a matter of the room 315 key inexplicably working in the boiler room door.
― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Cooper's old hotel room key magically works in the boiler room lock. Ben said they changed all the guest rooms to electronic locks anyway, he's not going into his old room.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
it seems clear that once Cooper comes "back" to OG TP universe, he is intuitively aware of a bunch of other previously unidentified portals/connecting Lodge spaces which he proceeds to move between relatively freely.
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
right. he used the 315 key (which he had apparently kept with him during his entire 25 years in the Lodge?)
jade found it, mailed it back to twin peaks, ben found it, talked to sheriff truman about it at length, who then gave it back to cooper in episode 17
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, but he did keep it while he was in the lodge
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
xxpost That is in keeping with my growing suspicion that the various expressions of Cooper's uncanny intuition throughout the series are less because he's a highly-competent G-man than because he's always been linked to the Lodge, unmoored from time.
― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
i still have my accidentally stolen econolodge keycard from a trip a couple years ago.
some things just stick with you the rest of your life.
*walks like a combo of dougie/bad coop/good coop toward a locked door behind a 7-11 around the corner*
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
Wins- thanks.
I expected Lynch would have said something by now. Maybe he's hiding like David Chase. There's no chance a bunch of people haven't asked him about more.I think one of the Showtime guys said they were scheduled to talk after the finale.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
Basically, it's as if Cooper binge-watched the entire series before he ever entered Twin Peaks.
― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
spitballin' re: the key - perhaps also significant that it was in Room 315 in the Great Northern where Cooper first had Lodge dream + is visited by Senor Droolcup, so maybe it's just an extension of the that, the Great Northern and that key have always been a portal to Lodge-space.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
The whole key thing feels like the blue box moment essentially, the editing has already started to get dreamlike in the way it moves characters from one setting to another in a less rational way
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
the hand-wavey thing that cooper did in the lodge was the combination/key to make the curtains open back out into the real world, instead of infinite red curtain rooms like at the end of s2
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
that makes sense
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
Someone said "the little girl who lived down the lane" might be the girl from episode 8, who actually did live down a lane.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
that reference - and the fact that it connects Audrey's brief string of scenes with the Arm and the larger narrative of the Waiting Room/Lodge spaces - seems like another classic Lynchian loose end, specifically designed to drive you crazy if you puzzle over it too much
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link
The arm saying the line sounds like a taunt, especially the second part "is it?"
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
it's also a taunt when Audrey says it!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
Audrey sounds terrified when she says it
― Chris L, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
Yeah she doesn't seem mocking at all
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
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hanging onto the hood like Shelly
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
what if Audrey is in a similar state/space as Cooper at the end, wandering between these different iterations of reality, torn between indifferent father figures and forbidden paramores
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
Is it too soon to ask if this is the best TV show ever produced?
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
No, it's too late to ask. Game over imo
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
There's a lot of blurring of identities not just through tulpas and body-switching but through a conflation of roles and circumstances, so I don't think "...down the lane" is meant to point to one character or situation to the exclusion of others but rather to a common predicament that manifests in different ways.
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced, at least for the time being, that the young girl who lives down the lane in NM 1956 doesn't have an explicit connection to the events in Twin Peaks but we're supposed to imagine a scenario around her and her town playing out much like the one that occurs in WA 43 years later... a recurring story people must deal with in the wake of the nuclear blast that unleashed Judy.
― sciatica, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
for me it is, hands down. but i really loved breaking bad and the wire and some of the earlier "prestige" tv shows, and i appreciate the hell out of the prisoner, but i have never watched a tv show so intensely, week after week, thought about it so often, looked forward to the next episode/part more, or thought so much about a series as it relates to the other elements (in this case the original run of TP, FWWM, and DL's work as a whole).
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
err 33 years later
― sciatica, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced, at least for the time being, that the young girl who lives down the lane in NM 1956 doesn't have an explicit connection to the events in Twin Peaks but we're supposed to imagine a scenario around her and her town playing out much like the one that occurs in WA 43 years later
i'm coming around to this view as well.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
otm. if twin peaks is about anything it's about cycles, repetitions, returns - particularly those of abuse, trauma, addiction & mental illness. This is consistent from the pilot thru part 18 of the return
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
xpost sorry, meant to correct your typo there (43 to 33). but yeah, it almost seems like some of the essential lodge entities played a role in NM (BOB, Judy, etc) but the rest was a glimpse into the first blue book case. they aren't literally the same characters/lineage as the TP crew, but their experiences overlap in certain ways
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
thought that was obvious from the get-go. all that stuff about the girl possibly being Sara Palmer or whatever seemed really strained, similar to the backwards blinking and airplane window morse code nonsense
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
Yeah the 1956 stuff felt completely self-contained from the off, to the point that I was very surprised by its slight return in the form of "my prayer"
― streeps of range (wins), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
deep sigh
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link