Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Dern saying "I'm not me" was one of the most haunting lines in the series for me

yeah Dern FTW

even before this, but specifically reinforced by what you've described, I've thought Dern was America's best actress.

actor tbh

Enlightened is my favorite show of the past half decade or so (reserving judgment on The Return's placement until I've rewatched).

Just the difference in a static shot of Dern's face when she was portraying Diane vs. faux Diane. She's a master.

yes I think that's accurate xpost

Her performance in IE and Naomi Watts's in MH are two of my all-time favorites, so getting both of them in this series was a real treat.

I'd have a lot of trouble trying to name Dern's best performance whereas I think it's pretty clear this is Kyle MacLachlan's best, right?

xpost (They're up there with Adjani in Possession, which is white-hot praise coming from me.)

Yes, I'd agree this was MacLachlan's greatest performance, easily. He was amazing and deserves all the awards.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/04/13/11/david-lynch-cow.jpg

sorry i love posting that picture at every opportunity

all-time great marketing campaign

Definitely career best from maclachlan. There are, what, 6?7?8? discrete performances by him in this, and he makes them all so distinct w complete command down to how he holds his face and the most minor postural & gestural tells (not only that but there are all these subtle modulations within each performance). Dern, I agree, is pretty much always at that level. So many actors at the top of their game in this

xpost (They're up there with Adjani in Possession, which is white-hot praise coming from me.)

― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, September 6, 2017 12:10 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol my two favorite performances of all time are adjani in possession and sheryl lee in fwwm

Oh yeah, duh, I'd def put Lee's FWWM performance in that pantheon. You're a man with taste, Brad!

Which begs the question: how the hell did Adjani and Lynch never work together? That is an insane shame.

wonder if this will get any emmy nominations. My gut tells me No.

the only time kyle became ambiguous for me was in the very last episode. i dunno if it was intentional but i felt like there were touches of evil coop in the lead-up to the sex scene. like he had been very "on" as old cooper, all friendly etc, and then seemed to switch back to troubled.

i agree he was incredible throughout tho.

tbh it's not at all an injustice that Dern doesn't win whatever bs award, that's more just confirmation that paying any attention to those is a waste of your time, but it is an injustice how few big roles have been given to sheryl lee (this is true of quite a lot of the original peaks cast but especially lee)

hey guys what if the last sequence (post drive to the desert) actually takes place chronologically before the rest of the show ie before he gets out of the Lodge waiting room for good and back into TP universe proper

wins OTM re Lee's injustice - even her brief scenes in the return broke my heart, she's a master

I don't know if it's deliberate but there's a hint of familial continuity in lee's fwwm performance and some of the zabriskie stuff in the return, the snap swing from confusion & anxiety to blank hostility

Obv they're dealing w a lot of the same stuff, and the same kind of people: hawk/james/coop, god love them all; it's great that we get a reprise of Laura's middle finger to James the clueless dork who fancies himself a saviour, but in the b&w version that fuck you is for an audience of two

anyone think about the parallels to Lolita in Episode 18? The car following them, the 'doubles', and in Lolita (at least in the film) , she winds up married to a man named Richard. I don't know what any of this means in relation to TP explicitly.

i'm sad we didn't get 'gone, like a turkey in the corn, gobble gobble' in a flashback

otm

We got the jerky

was that a real band of jerky btw? they should use Sarah Palmer freaking out in an ad.

brand. brand of jerky.

just got up from reading this thread to see some people walk into our office with a giant box that says "PHILLIP JEFFRIES" on it.

I'm gueesing it's these folk:

https://www.phillipjeffries.com/

I guess once you've been a teapot getting turned into a giant box probably isn't so bad

goddammit
xp

What is the "unofficial version" Cole will know about?

anyone think about the parallels to Lolita in Episode 18? The car following them, the 'doubles', and in Lolita (at least in the film) , she winds up married to a man named Richard. I don't know what any of this means in relation to TP explicitly.

Weirdly, I couldn't think of the overt Lolita refs for my 'Lynch on Lynch' theory, thanks for that.

I'm guessing what actually happened to Jeffries and a lot of other Blue Rose junk isn't the "official FBI version" but those in the club know what's up

all that stuff about the girl possibly being Sara Palmer or whatever seemed really strained, similar to the backwards blinking and airplane window morse code nonsense

― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:31 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there was a lot of inserted weirdness which was in no way accidental (e.g. someone had to be filling in the plane windows, that doesn't just happen), but i do think it all just contributed to a vague feeling of uneasiness rather than being specific clues to be deciphered (iirc i briefly wondered whether that might be the case back in july, but within minutes was all blink truther again).

regardless i think you're otm about the flying frog thing. the "it's sarah palmer!!" theory grew legs despite there being practically no evidence.

Wouldn't it be great if the threads converged back at Twin Peaks (those coordinates) and the spirits of Laura and Cooper returned and somehow the loop closed back to the start of the pilot? The Return indeed.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 8:14 AM (one month ago)

respect knuckles!

folks were right about a few things on this thread - Diane/Jane-y relationship, Naido/real Diane etc.

xpost niiiice!

Maybe technically correct but I could never have guessed the slipped, disjointed, oneiric way in which Lynch achieved it, or the way it would haunt me afterward. I can't stop thinking about the last half hour, I feel like it's communicating a deep truth to me.

the finale communicated the same kind of truth Primer and Jacob's Ladder did to me - you can't change Destiny. maybe a simplification but it hits hard

🖼

hahaha holy shit I forgot about this stunt! Incredible

Not to get all film nerdy but fuggit --- I have the utmost respect and am in awe of filmmakers who do what Lynch does so well: use cinema to poke through to other worlds or interpretations of this world ( much like that cigarette in IE) and be able to shake me up from deep within more often than not. There are only a handful that do that for me and most are long dead.

Has anyone posted yet about how it (well, Odessa) was about the bunny after all? Just a small thing that I doubt is of great significance but quite typical: (includes a photo of a dead bunny, so I'm not gonna embed the tweet)

Jackrabbit Palace too

What is the "unofficial version" Cole will know about?

I was thinking this meant that if Cooper changed history in 1989, Cole will somehow still remember the original?

" the loop closed back to the start of the pilot? The Return indeed."

well it does do that, kind of, but I still feel like what happens after that negates that.

I can't get to a place where I feel comfortable or at peace with the final scene. which is certainly the intention, but has left me feeling somewhat empty.

Jackrabbit Palace too

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:23 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah absolutely, that just seems more obvious whereas this Odessa thing is more like an, uh, Easter egg

Wow, can't believe Lynch's mindblowing curveball in the finale: It was Coop who booked all those Roadhouse shows

TWIN PEAKS FANS: The original score is iconic

DAVID LYNCH: The Roadhouse is a LiveNation venue. Stay tuned for a new song from The Coldplay

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) August 4, 2017

i'm not as articulate as some of you about Twin Peaks, and i'm pretty sure some of these points have been mentioned. My thought on the two parter is Dale went back into the past to get Laura and save her from her death, but of course that did not work. What we see is 18 is what would have happened if he she had not died, but of course she still has all of the family trauma/abuse. What I'm not clear about is if that if once she screamed it collapsed the timeline. Anyway, i'm sure i'll get corrected because i know this isn't well thought out

but I think in a way Lynch gives us what would've happened had he "saved her" and it's not really ideal either