Did Laura only remove her face in season 3 or was that in the earlier stuff too?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
Harring in MD is like the textbook example of Lynch getting a perfectly modulated performance out of a pretty limited actor. She's married to like the prince of Luxembourg or something so since money isn't an issue I bet her agent has had some fun over the years with the let's shoot for the moon strategy.
― sciatica, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
xxxp ahahahahah oh right, love that guy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
she still has her countess title but divorced that dude in 1989, unless there's a different relationship that wikipedia/imdb hasn't tracked. she lives in LA, I think
― mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
oh n/m then, I'm all mixed up
― sciatica, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
That piece looks tldr but sciatica's post gets at my problem with a lot of readings, inc Adam's above which is a strong interpretation in many ways, which is that they seem to wilfully ignore the actual emotional texture of what we're shown
― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what? why do you think this about my reading?
season 3 has been more emotionally gripping than ever before imo. Laura's scream is the end of the show, it is the defining last word in the series, it is and has always been terrifying. it the emotional nucleus of the series. this is why even when travelling to realities where Cooper barely remembers who he is anymore Laura's trauma is the defining force of the pan-dimensional universe of Twin Peaks. how can you say i am ignoring emotional texture, whatever that is?
i also fully support the realness of Ed/Norma/Nadine/Jacoby storyline and say that shit made me tear up every time i watch. Otis Redding live, the fucking pauses, holy shit. Ed looked so sad in that empty scene earlier, making this all the more sweeter. Nadine for once gets to make a decision about her life for a change. Jacob helped them dig out of the emotional shit, following through with them all in therapy at the end of season 2.
does it make it any less beautiful if it is an unreal dream? no, of course not. Gordon, Jeffries, and Cooper says "We live inside a dream", this is the ancient phrase. dream in the Hindu Kush sense, the playful creation of reality. we experience dreams as we experience our "real life", through the body, through the mind, through abstract concepts and labels we have given things physical and abstract. this is what they are talking about when they say life is a dream.
i like the time jumping and use of cutting around time periods, i think all three seasons now are sort of shuffled like a deck of cards. it flattens events, makes nothing less important than anything else. it heightens the ability to create/imagine where the mystery could go from there.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link
as for Cooper/Richard in that last episode i have no idea, he is sort of acting like a broken robot, i need at least a month to unpack all of this before saying i have a definite theory about any one scene in this entire series
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link
sheryl lee has one of the all-time great screen screams
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Laura's scream is the series mantra.
what is this emotional texture i am missing? what year is this?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
since this thread has served its major function i'd like to say thanks also - it's been a lovely and stimulating thread and it's been a good time! an excellent reminder of what ilx is at its best!
i'd like to say thanks to ilx lurker, Priory, who sent me a helpful email off the back of this thread. I was unable to reply to your message since I couldn't find your details (ilx mail doesn't allow one to simply respond to a message!) - anyway, thanks and please de-lurk. x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-_aJ1BiFE
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Friday, 8 September 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
xp all that's fine, I'm mostly thinking of this
he didn't fail tho! all season he was constantly winning without even trying. he even went back in time and stopped Laura from ever dying in the first place.
Which if you look at the ending and you're thinking "wow Dale wins again, just like in Vegas with the Mitchum bros, yep, literally no difference" you are ignoring entirely the emotional tenor of the finale, which is that of a nightmare.
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 05:59 (six years ago) link
^ wins OTM
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link
Laura feels like she's a victim in some ways, unable to accept her solitude because Dale comes to force her to realign with her past trauma
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:18 (six years ago) link
I'd hardly call her life in Odessa "solitude." she has a dead body in her living room and has people after her either for that or something else. the universal trauma of Laura Palmer reverberated through Carrie Page's life, too.
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:32 (six years ago) link
not calling her life solitude, just saying she can't pursue true solitude
sorry if badly worded
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:33 (six years ago) link
and also i basically agree with what you said as well, that it reverberated through Carrie
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link
Laura is stronger than Cooper though. The stubborn, insistent intrusion of fwwm into the return allows me to take comfort in that film's ending, which seems to stand outside of time (at least, it doesn't fit into the timeline of dale's visits to the red room in original series + tptr). Again, the whole end of this feels like a repetition of "don't take the ring", which was ultimately an insignificant failed intervention that Laura shrugged off as she dealt with her trauma her way. I think dale's more gravely trapped than she is by the end, precisely because her pain and sorrow can't be contained or undone.
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:54 (six years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b0/46/27/b04627a4b216f91d9cb7e9cf1eb77b7e.jpg
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 06:57 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHEVGFae09s
― Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 10:27 (six years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/5i3doc4hjikz.jpg
From Reddit. The label on Janey-E's trousers says 'Paige'.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 September 2017 10:30 (six years ago) link
i cannot stop thinking about this show. nothing of value to add, just wanted to say that.
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 September 2017 10:39 (six years ago) link
With you there :) Thought I'd see what the stars of TP thought of the finale, but not sure that's a good idea. Fenn, for instance:
Amen https://t.co/GOGfkAsSpk— sherilynfenn (@sherilynfenn1) September 8, 2017
(never thought of her to be so into christ as she is)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 September 2017 10:57 (six years ago) link
yeah she's been like that for a while. and she's been supportive of the show as a whole and is pushing for a season 4; she an Lynch are friends, i believe. She certainly didn't go off her rocker like Julee Cruise did on FB for a day (she seems to be spending her time now backpedaling that, not very well because I don't think she understands how FB works).
― akm, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
I guess one side effect of keeping the story secret from everybody including the cast is that you have to deal with their reactions/disappointment/etc. Nobody knew what they were actually signing on for, and of course who knows how many scenes were filmed but not included. It is a heck of a lot to take on faith for an actor. I mean, nothing's ever guaranteed and all sorts of things happen in the editing room, but if you have a whole script at least have a general sense of what to expect.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
This is true and understandable, but it may be advisable for the cast to maybe sit with it for a little while before making a public statement about their disappointment. Just sayin'.
― Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
That's not really fenn's way
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
Doh pocket post
There was an interview with fenn a week or so ago where she was enthusing about the material she'd been given, talked about doing the dance & said she couldn't talk about the finale in a way that intimated that she thought she would be in it (she also said she hadn't been watching, though). Of course we all want to believe scenes were filmed & cut because of the possibility we might see them one day! Anyway yeah she & lynch are I believe pretty close friends despite her complaining about mistakes made with the character to anyone who'll listen for the last 27 years, I doubt that'll change due to sherilyn being sherilyn on twitter
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
Dale wins again, just like in Vegas with the Mitchum bros, yep, literally no difference
hah did i say this? it seems like you are in a one sided argument
im just gonna dip out of this thread again. wins you have this weird bullying thing going on.
im out peace
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
xpost It's likely she's also still pissed about being paid scale.
― Chris L, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
I wonder who all the other teapots in the Fireman's house are/were
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
🙄
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
I gotta say, I understand being upset about unequal pay but also scale is still pretty fucking good. Actors are vastly overpaid.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Battery/capacitor things != Jeffries-like teapots imo
― Dan I., Friday, 8 September 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
tbf being paid scale when you've had a reasonably active career to appear in a few scenes that most viewers will dismiss must be maddening. The prestige of this project will redound to Lynch and a few of the principles and hopefully (deservedly) Dana Ashbrook and not many others I assume, since it's such a niche thing. Amy Shiels will probably get work out of it. I don't think there's anything wrong with Fenn's response.
xp to Simon that may be true but it must be hard to reckon with that far into a career
― sciatica, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
also, you know, actors
― sciatica, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
yeah I don't think her response is unfair or unsurprising
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
could be, idk I haven't rewatched and only noticed it briefly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link
I wonder if she'd be reacting differently if it weren't for a sizeable number of viewers vocally complaining about Audrey in particular
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
The stereotypical twin peaks fan is really fucking annoying
Not like ~us~ of course
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
Something something neutral milk hotel
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
hahaha
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
We're Audrey mega fans deeply disappointed in the wake of FWWM? I guess a lot of TP mega fans were deeply disappointed so it's hard to sort out, but you'd think they'd learn to cope by now!
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
Donna mega fans def were! There were two of them in the row in front of me when FWWM came out
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
Good comparison in that case because in both instances it was a strong use of the character, maybe the best, but people have a very fixed idea of how it ought to be portrayed
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
by the same actress?
― na (NA), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
I'm still haunted by seeing FWWM in a theater back in early April, followed by this kid who was probably in college asking his friend after the movie: "So I understand <points A, B, C> but would these other things make sense if I'd seen the tv show?"
I was really impressed how much of the plot he got and had guessed things about the show
― mh, Friday, 8 September 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
in one of the instances, yes xp
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
I would totally have watched more of Audrey, but if you stitch together her scenes over those episodes you'd have a spooky standalone nightmare. I think her scenes are key to the whole thing, so it's not like she's not an important part.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
otm!
― streeps of range (wins), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link