Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

it was a stupid and tactless comparison to draw, and the clue is in the fact that she felt the need to apologize for it

I'm gonna need to see a Verrit code on that one.

Xp

it was a stupid and tactless comparison to draw, and the clue is in the fact that she felt the need to apologize for it

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 8. september 2017 22:30 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree. That's not what flappy bird claimed, though.

Hillary Clinton definitely says a LOT of stupid and tactless shit, btw. No denying that.

well no wonder you like her so much then

i think i just had a seizure reading that fred post

She never said she would stay because Obama might get assassinated. She said she thought it was okay to stay in the contest in June, because it had happened before, after all, Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June. And that's quite simple to fact check.

― Frederik B, Friday, September 8, 2017 4:21 PM (two hours ago)

there has to be some sort of translation issue here or something. or you're a bot

Peter Dane

I can't tell which thread to stick this shit into anymore, so here 'tis: Daou now posting blog entries about how they only gain strength from the haters.

Verrit’s Launch Sparks a Digital Mob Attack — And a Surge of Signups

...What these frightened attackers fail to understand is that this community is unfazed by the torrent of hate. In fact, the attacks further validate Verrit’s purpose. Over the course of a few days, the Verrit community has coalesced, with tens of thousands of followers and email signups. To the great distress of its detractors, Verrit is here to stay, reflecting and representing the dignity and pride of those who fought harder than anyone to protect America from the forces of bigotry and lawlessness.

I picture him dictating that post to his phone while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

I sort of wonder if Daou is intentionally trying to work an angle where he says stupid things that incur disdain and mockery, and then uses that backlash to promote himself and stoke the resentment of his supporters, like a centre-left Milo? Or is he just a touchy weirdo? (or both?)

Pretty sure he's just a touchy weirdo.

https://theoutline.com/post/2207/the-strange-life-of-peter-daou

from his dance-pop career:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FThlNAa-Y

@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE @ByYourLogic @virgiltexas @deep_beige @cushbomb @willmenaker I couldn't stop thinking about the Episode 139 dream office. pic.twitter.com/7kk9Sjprah

— Jon White (@JonWhiteBriefly) September 10, 2017

I sort of wonder if Daou is intentionally trying to work an angle where he says stupid things that incur disdain and mockery, and then uses that backlash to promote himself and stoke the resentment of his supporters, like a centre-left Milo? Or is he just a touchy weirdo? (or both?)

What's depressing is that he's probably just a touchy weirdo but the current information economy rewards touchy weirdos, and in particular rewards them for launching "beefs" with "haters" and etc. and etc. -- Daou probably never intended to be this character on the internet and for all I know neither did Milo, but BF Skinner wasn't totally wrong, just as flowers turn towards the sun we turn towards the behavior that gets reinforced, we may not mean to but we do

There was an article about Milo that baldly spells out that Milo's trajectory was planned and intentional:

http://splinternews.com/the-ultimate-troll-the-terrifying-allure-of-gamergate-1793852307

The Noid riff is their "Ed Ames tomahawk demonstration on Johnny Carson"

I think the commonality is that some of these figures who are mocked and reviled have tapped into assumptions that underlie particular groups but are never really voiced. hearing these things is repulsive, even to many members of those groups, but if you look at the history of actions and not just words, you realize they're articulating an undercurrent that many people don't realize is there

With MY it's that a bunch of these people really are racist shitlords who think that it's fine to be like that, and that their deeply-held assumptions are in some way correct but have no bearing on the real world, so it's fun to shout them out and shock people.

With Daou, it's some surfacing that having no clear direction beyond toeing a party line, even if that line stands for incredibly little, is the only valuable thing.

Tim Faust started his new pod with Kelly Jo, called HEAVYxMEDICAL.

https://www.blubrry.com/heavyxmedical/26910013/i-cirith-ungol-cost-bundling-carceral-health-injustice/

Our first episode!

We are Timothy Faust and Kelly Jo. We really like health policy and heavy metal.

Every other-week or so we'll discuss a current-ish event we think is interesting, and a health policy or health law paper we're into. We'll also discuss a metal album and attempt to say "this kicks ass" in as many words as possible for a few minutes.

Here's Episode 1, where we attempt to discuss ACOs and bundled payments (a clearer discussion of basic payment models comes in Episode 2) and how carceralism fills the gaps in broken healthcare policy to punish vulnerable people (here, predominately) trans people of color. Also, we listen to Cirith Ungol's "King of the Dead," which rules.

nice! TF is certainly the most infectiously optimistic of the nu-left crew

ILX had this week's premium ep beat by years

anyone else find the poster linked in the email for that premium episode really stupid & distasteful? specifically the use of the Comet Ping Pong logo/storefront. It's just really weird growing up near a sick pizza place & music venue & then its name becomes synonymous with a fucking mythical pedophile ring & child prison. I know it was news & in the public consciousness for a while but fuck man leave their logo out of this, they're still open & having shows but tbh i would be very nervous about ever going there again (i don't live in DC anyway), just bc of what happened & how the Pizzagate persists somewhat non-ironically for some ppl.

anyway

I grew up right near there too. The poster didn't especially bother me but Felix's Jewish self-loathing schtick did kind of cross a line for me. I can see how the poster is sort of callous to how much the pizza gate thing fucked with the lives of people who work there. I one emailed them that I thought one of their eichenwald eps was a little too callous about the fact that people were basically non stop harassing his wife and kids with holocaust images. No response.

Naomi Klein ep up tonight

kind of not psyched about them doing a book, feel like they're just going to gradually turn into the daily show

I had the same thought earlier. Read this Jacobite piece from a few months ago that, despite being totally overwrought, kind of confirmed their impotence & limitations as a force bigger than yeah, The Daily Show. I don't know how they're approaching the book - I fully expect it to be some America: The Book or Alphabet of Manliness piece of shit. they shouldn't lean on their humor, they're really not that funny.

what do they actually have to lean on then

their analysis of the news & their guests, no shit

i think they're frequently insightful & that's much more helpful & useful than their limited comedic abilities. they're very good on their feet when riffing, esp. Felix. not sure it would work in a structured form like a book.

I can't tell if you're serious, flappy bird, but I'll bite: for most of the audience and for the hosts themselves, comedy is the main appeal of the show.

Speak for yourself. They had on Naomi Klein tonight. They're not restricted to a half-hour cable tv format. I've found their take on things to be the most valuable part of the show. If they really start hammering on about "it's just a comedy show!!!!! we have an idiotic joke name!!!!!" then they will become The Daily Show. I think they're wary of that & smart enough to avoid it. hopefully

They are funny at times but inconsistent. Comedy is not their profession. I really notice a stark contrast when I listen to someone like Nick Mullen (i.e. their friend who has done a lot of standup) and then them, the difference between people with real comedy chops and experience doing the "we're just a bunch of dirtbags shooting the shit" thing versus, like, weird/left media twitter people doing similar schtick and trying to spin good tweets into jokes. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it gives me more appreciation for people who legit practice/study/do comedy.

maybe "craft" is really more the word I'm looking for than "profession"

no you're right, your comparison is otm. there's a stark difference listening to CTH vs. Mullen, Halkias, & Friedland.

anyway Chapo is much more substantive than just a "comedy show." it's certainly not why I listen

I think the main appeal of CTH for upwards of 90% of the its audience is that they find the show funny, and I would literally bet my life on that without hesitation.

for the record i wasn't implying they were actually funny

I think they're very funny, riffing and responding to articles/books/tweets. That's definitely the appeal to most of the audience.

They can also be good with serious guests (when they let them speak) or when actually talking politics (primarily Amber and Matt).

as for the book, hard to imagine it being great if only because I can't imagine it being something different than America: The Book - Felix has some good not-political pieces on Deadspin, Amber is good, I imagine Matt could write an interesting historical/political essay. Will and Virgil, meh.

I tried listening to some of the other leftist US podcasts after enjoying Chapo - Delete Your Account, Katie Halper - and while they were informative and fighting the good fight, realised that as someone outside the US I didn't really care enough about US domestic policy to keep listening. But Chapo I kept up with, and I think that is indeed because it's funny. Not as funny as a lot of comedy podcasts, but then no professional comedians have moved to occupy this niche.

the Naomi Klein segment this week is a good overview/entry point for the curious

yeah, I don't know. I think I listen to too many lib/left podcasts so very often the "serious" guests are ones I've heard interviewed before, and the Chapo guys are imo pretty mediocre at interviews. They either turn the same crank as usual or they seem like some Nerdist try-hards waiting for an opportunity to get their jokes in. But now and then there's some good back and forth.

The only part of the show I find funny is the idiot readings. And even then I could do without the "this David Brooks column made me scream so hard my neighbors called the cops" shit. But yeah I guess I got over Sam Kinison shit back in the 80s.

the Peggy Noonan one this week is funny but if anything kind of undersells over just how weird and bad the piece is

really weird discussions come up in this thread. as in hard to tell if people are being disingenuous or just daft as a brush. podcasts which are "funny" but where the hosts are not comedians nor do they have traditional comedic chops compromise a good chunk of popular podcasts, people generally enjoy the humour that is in them.

Freudian slip?

"Why do people like this thing that I'm so obsessed with that I can't stop posting about it?"

imo Amber's writing is great on intra-left beef. this dispatch from left forum

https://thebaffler.com/latest/flakes-alive

or this oldish one in jacobin on deriding leftists as "bros"

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/06/bro-bash/

are both great funny bloggy writing. but her actual writing on "actual politics" i have found not that good

really weird discussions come up in this thread. as in hard to tell if people are being disingenuous or just daft as a brush. podcasts which are "funny" but where the hosts are not comedians nor do they have traditional comedic chops compromise a good chunk of popular podcasts, people generally enjoy the humour that is in them.

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:40 (five hours ago) Permalink

no that wasn't my point at all, it works fine for a podcast, and I do like the podcast quite a lot, obvs, it's just that when they try to move outside their range into, e.g., live shows, the fact that they aren't actually comedians or performers becomes much more naked. And I imagine the same would be true with a book. I mean actually most "humor" books suck anyway, so whatever.

Also, their podcast is good because it doesn't *exclusively* rely on them being funny, and when it veers too much into that direction it's not as good as they seem to think it is.