Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

"Bleeding from the nose and mouth" was the specific phrase given. Twice.

xp yep

We also don't know what timeline, or when, Andy's scene with the trucker takes place. The date on his Rolex (another odd detail) appears to be 10/10.

Mh = yes

I was caught up on both the sick girl and the jail guy. They both really freaked me out and I really wanted to know what the deal was, but I've come to accept that they are just symptoms of a town spinning out of control.

I haven't seen anybody bring this up, but it reminds me of what Reza Aslan kept going on about regarding The Leftovers (a show that would make a nice, if frustrating, double-feature with this one). He talked about the existence of Axis Mundi, or as wikipedia says, The axis mundi (also cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar, center of the world, world tree), in certain beliefs and philosophies, is the world center, or the connection between Heaven and Earth. As the celestial pole and geographic pole, it expresses a point of connection between sky and earth where the four compass directions meet. At this point travel and correspondence is made between higher and lower realms.

Dr. Wikipedia goes on to mention A common shamanic concept, and a universally told story, is that of the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world.

Twin Peaks, and everywhere the coordinates point to and everywhere that appears in the return, are axis mundi. Maybe some of them, like the northwest, predate electricity and have always been sacred. Maybe some like New Mexico or New York exist due to man's violence and the power of e-lec-tri-city. These are the passageways. For whatever reason, Twin Peaks has two clearly defined regions, entrance to the black lodge and to the white lodge. These touched areas are affected, or infected, by this energy, and the "town" of Twin Peaks is a total mess. The pain is symbiotic between the lodge denizens as much as we care to understand they exist, and people in the real world. I'm not sure Twin Peaks ever was the real world, considering how much more real it was in episode 18. It was a cartoonish place with cartoonish characters doing extreme things. It was an exaggeration. I don't think that pocket universe of 18 is some secret trap or invented domain care/of Judy or the Fireman (too literal anyway). I think it's reality and if anything the ending is Laura remembering the abuse she surely lived through in any universe but had perhaps blocked (watching the Keepers right now and thinking about the power of amnesia as a response to trauma), meanwhile Cooper is still playing the game, still trying to get back to a fantasy world so he can arrest the bad guy and save Laura, who obviously can't be saved, even if she's saved from her murder, she can't be saved from the horrific abuse she'd experienced for years before, Cooper, the shaman, the cowboy, wants to jump through the hoops, the universes and make everything right, but he doesn't even know what year it is.

sorry didn't expect that to turn into a rant.

there's definitely some commonalities between the Leftovers series finale and this one

"honestly, TP inspires so many hot takes, you get diminishing returns on even the ones you agree with pretty quickly"

yes, I've quit reading all of them, after this one:

https://thebaffler.com/latest/tears-of-a-crazy-clown-berman

This is my favorite article on the Return and it's importance; it contextualizes the show in the world of nostalgia and reboots; it doesn't try to 'explain' anything, and it's well written. I unsubbed from all the TP facebook groups I was on because I just couldn't take the endless recapitulation anymore.

that one bugs me but only bc i don't get the ulysses summary

there's definitely some commonalities between the Leftovers series finale and this one

Curious to hear what they are, b/c I don't really see any. The Leftovers finale was so down to earth and human and self-contained; you could almost understand it even if you hadn't seen the series, because it told a stand-alone story. The TP finale... did not.

I enjoyed The Return much more than the Leftovers, which I think is strangely overrated, but that Leftovers finale was an incredible hour of TV. Lynch went that exact opposite route with the TP finale, vastly expanding the scope of an already massive story instead of wrapping everything up

I guess there are some parallels between the finale Justin Theroux/Carrie Coon scenes and those final Cooper/Laura scenes, but the Leftovers finale really breathes and just gives these characters we've grown to know space to exist and be themselves. That's something The Return finale really denied us. We never got that final catchup/decompression time with Cooper as Cooper (or even Laura as Laura)

I guess I meant more in terms of the identity play, and having the "plot" elements mostly be wrapped up in the penultimate episode to make way for something more intimate

Thread isn't marked for leftovers spoilers lads

enh Leftovers is about as spoilable as TP is

Doubledown spoiler dude not cool

yeah can't tell what's sarcasm or not but I promise nothing in this thread has spoiled anything about Leftovers

Also yeah I can see that Simon. [Leftovers spoilers] That Leftovers finale worked so well and was so simple and pure I'm kinda amazed more shows don't try to do something like it[/end spoilers]

I wasn't making a direct comparison between the finales, but between the shows, for their mystery and mysticism and confusion and wackiness. They're oddly similar I think in certain ways, and totally opposite in other ways. FWIW, I didn't love the first two seasons, but the second two seasons I was totally obsessed with and think deserve the kind of following The Return gets.

also Lindelof is a massive TP fan

Has it already been noted that Coop/Dougie is in the same situation in The Return as Rita was in MH? Both stumble into Naomi Watts' home bearing mysterious bags of money.

I wonder if that whole plot line was originally intended for the MH TV series. I could easily see Rita's plot getting more tangled with the Castigliane brothers in a similar manner as Dougie's adventures with the Mitchum brothers.

Regarding the Sarah-Judy connection discussed and partially dismissed at times above: I don't think Judy is Sarah or even is in Sarah, but, as was also discussed earlier in this thread, Sarah's grief may have opened her up to some type of influence/connection. I remain very skeptical about the idea of the girl in New Mexico being Sarah; instead, what kind of sold me on the idea that there is a Sarah-Judy connection is the very fact that Cooper makes such a point of bringing Laura (?) to her mother, which in the context of the finale very much strikes me as an attempt to fulfill the somewhat mysterious plan to access Judy that Gordon hints at at the start of Part 17. "Saving" Laura and challenging Judy: two birds with one stone! It's all bound to remain speculation though, and it's not a hill I'd wanna die on, given the beautiful radical openness of the finale.

fwiw i just watched this rad thing and michael j anderson's part is "the woodsman (twin a)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0tPCEDr0x8

(Not exactly "news" but...)

"It's too early to talk [#TwinPeaks s4], if it were to happen, you wouldn't see anything in the next 2 or 3 years." – David Lynch last night

— Nikola Tamindzic (@NikolaTamindzic) September 14, 2017

What year is this?

I may want to revisit TP in 2-3 years but I feel like it's ended. I'd rather see a new Lynch project.

I really enjoyed the baffled thing that akm posted (thanks) but for now and for a long while, I'm out. Adios!

I may want to revisit TP in 2-3 years but I feel like it's ended. I'd rather see a new Lynch project.

^ i'm with matthewK on all of that

I'm kinda the opposite - never got the "I'm less interested in new twin peaks than new lynch" thing, the appeal was equally both to me. Now, though, it feels done. And a lot of the point of the return had to do with the quarter-century gap between sequel and antecedent.

I mean I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't show up for this lol

yeah, i'm with you, i would show up for just about anything now! i feel like a dick but the return, inland empire, and mulholland drive are my three favorites of his.the original twin peaks, eraserhead, blue velvet, and lost highway aren't far behind. but that's really something, i think, to be able to convince at least one person that your last three major projects in a fairly long career and distinguished career are your best. and i bet that i'm not alone there.

Yeah totally!

It'd be really fanservicey but I dream of a Dougie spinoff that follows the joneses and the Mitchums and the andies and the fuscos and lucky 7. Dougie2 would have all OG dougie's memories but none of dale's so he wouldn't remember any of his interactions with the casino people, leading to much confusion and frustration.

haha, that would be really anti-fanservicey, or maybe servicing a totally different set of fans. he should do another 30 minute sitcom of Dougie's life.

Should be called a Doug's life obv

Hell, I'd be down for Seven Figures Gettng Sick.

that one bugs me but only bc i don't get the ulysses summary

yes, Berman's tossed-in Joyce comparison is a weird false note ... except for that, her article is a good post mortem and a relief from all the puzzle-solving

Dougie's People

The Dougie Years

Lol. Maybe I mean fanfictiony then - although in my bubble those are all fan favourites, even if some were frustrated with sleepwalking Cooper

If the original series proves anything it's that every aspect of this that irritated current viewers will be amongst the most beloved by ongoing cultists by 2030 and anyone who cared about coop will be by that cabal considered a philistine out for cheap thrills at the expense of a bold new art

Offered without judgement tbh

*fastens a series of pins depicting the french woman slowly leaving cole's hotel room to tote bag* i cannot wait for the new season of twin peaks

*sips from my Dougie's Coffee mug*

mm hmm

coffee mug

*buys roadhouse girls funko pops*

Dear Twitter Friends,
The stars turn and a time presents itself.
December 5, 2017.
Blu-ray and DVD! pic.twitter.com/aTbiKTZSC6

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) September 14, 2017

very cool cover imo

that's great

Interesting that it's not called "the return"

I have mixed feelings about seeing it explicitly referred to as "the third season" and not The Return. (xp!)

yeah me too, wtf? "The Return" as a title & theme seems essential to this series. but christ, can't complain about that turnaround. 3 months! i thought it would be a year at least

hilarious that it's THE THIRD SEASON on the blu-ray

lynch deflates everyone who was putting deep meaning into "the return" as a title

at least it's not THE FINAL SEASON

Well it was always just "Twin Peaks" in the credits.

Cover should have been nothing but a Jim Belushi close-up

lynch deflates everyone who was putting deep meaning into "the return" as a title

― mh, Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:41 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf this quote from the president of Showtime did exactly that: "the core of [the series] is Agent Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks"