darren aronofsky's mother!

Yeah, I guess.

O rite, thats the only one I havent seen haha.

Aronofsky always sounds like the biggest fraud when he speaks about his movies: http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/mother-darren-aronofsky-explains-mythology-allegory-bible-jennifer-lawrence-1201877848/

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I want Aronofsky to stop saying "allegory"

Explaining your movies = dud.

Explaining your movie, the week it comes out = DUUUUUUDDDDDD

Explaining your movie the week it bombs

yeah, the whole idea of wanting people to see it with fresh eyes doesn't exactly hold water if you're explaining the symbolism by week's end.

places like Alamo/Arclight could have probably kept a single Darko-esque nightly screening going for weeks just on the chatter of nerds

yeah exactly. that entertainment weekly interview is so fucking dumb. when the interviewer asks him "that thing in the toilet - was it the rib of Adam?" and he just says "Ding ding ding!" ---- wtf dude

The worst part is stuff like this: ' “The fame stuff is purely a side effect,” said Aronofsky. “A lot of people are seeing that. It is because we have Jennifer Lawrence, Javier Bardem, Ed Harris, and Michelle Pfeiffer dealing with the crowd, the paparazzi and autograph seekers. When I was writing I wasn’t seeking comment about that, it was about the allegorical sense of worship.”' The idea that you should sort out what's 'side effects' and what's the true and proper artistic effect. But if people are getting a wrong idea due to the casting, well that kinda means the film was miscast. A lot of directors wouldn't have used so many big stars for pretty much exactly this reason.

I'm now going to see this just so i can complain about how terrible it is

hell yeah

It's kind of cool to see Aronofsky fully transform into Michael Haneke.

Given the massive "let me explain!" reverse promotion going on, they are obviously desperate to salvage what they can. Aronofsky, Jennifer, Javier all doing interviews all over.

I appreciate Paramount sticking up for the film, though. http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/paramount-shades-netflix-in-mother-backlash-response.html

“My first instinct when I first wrote it was that there would be that twist at the end, that final twist of just like, ‘Oh God it doesn’t end and this guy is just more and more of a narcissist and it just doesn’t end,’ and that would be like just another smack to the character and to the themes. How that lines up with the metaphor doesn’t fit perfectly, but I think that’s where the human story kind of takes over a little bit more and replaces the metaphor.”

I like that more than the cyclical thing. End with Him delivering his most narcissistic line yet and then iris out on Mother looking completely exasperated.

It's kind of cool to see Aronofsky fully transform into Michael Haneke.

xp Aronofsky wishes

It's kind of cool to see Aronofsky fully transform into Michael Haneke.

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but no: Haneke's actually got a great oeuvre to show for. Aronofsky could only hope.

Yeah no comparison

And I say that as someone who really liked Black Swan and Requiem (at the time). But I didn't like those movies a fraction as much as I flat out loathed Funny Games and Benny's Video, and I'll always give the edge to the director who made me feel strongly one way or the other.

yeah, no

That is the problem with you and Bad Movies. Haneke is an aesthetic dick.

mother! (Aronofsky): F for effort

— Adam Nayman (@brofromanother) September 18, 2017

lmao

from the guy who wrote a book about Showgirls being a masterpiece though

I believe he said "it doesn't suck."

suck what?

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/jennifer-lawrence-mother-movie-reviews-flop

After a summer when too many major studio releases felt like passive experiences, pieces of content meant to fill a release date on a calendar or bridge a gap between sequels, mother! vibrates with wild-eyed purpose. Its poor box office showing makes sense: This is a film that died so we can live.

oh cool no more Marvelverse movies! thx Darren!

I wonder how many critics who write these over the top indignant film reviews look back years later and think "yep, my reaction was completely appropriate". And then decades later if it becomes a sort of classic?

Did anyone ever catch up with the appalled critics of Psycho and Peeping Tom to see how they felt about their reaction decades later?
Not comparing Mother! to those films, I haven't seen it.

Oh, I've seen some grumpy contemporaneous reviews of Psycho, yes. Some of the bourgeois scribes thought Mr Hitchcock had debased himself.

RoboCop remake could have been his apex.

Hitchcock or Aronofsky.

Barry Norman seemed to maintain into the 00s that Shivers was the actual worst film he'd ever seen.

from the guy who wrote a book about Showgirls being a masterpiece though

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Showgirls is a masterpiece.

“I apologize,” he told one TIFF audience, “for what I’m about to do to you.”

fwiw: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ4dqMnWAAAcPry.jpg

i don't know who that is but he sounds like a dick

how could you possibly say that about someone that did coke with the Strokes!!!

That's some valuable oral history alright.

that is a sick burn of aronofsky even if it's also an accidental self-own

there's people to laugh at on both sides

have you seen the movie
even if you like it - and i will grant there are some really good things in it - you have to admit that last section is pure torture to watch, purpose disregarded
i don't see you how you could fault anyone who hated and/or was offended by this film

In some ways, this reminds me of the Lou Reed/Metallica collab Lulu: the nutty mashup, the gruesome metaphors, the critical reaction. "Sing it, James!" = Kristen Wiig cameo.

it's "come on james!" and god don't make me want to see this by comparing it to lulu

For worship someone who actively despises you.

lol

Darren Aronofsky dresses like he is the drama teacher on a Disney Channel sitcom. His name is "Mr Z" and he rolls his Rs for some reason pic.twitter.com/J28mSkw2SC

— Natalie Walker (@nwalks) September 19, 2017

As an Aranofnostic (liked Pi, Wrestler and Black Swan) I really enjoyed this. I didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety. The level of ire it has raised doesn't make sense to me.

didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety

same. that's why i didn't like the last third, though

see I liked the blackly absurd social anxiety, "hell-is-other-people" stuff. the movie fell down when it actually became HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE

yup. really hitting-you-over-the-head with a really non-clever analogy. also the violence was just gratuitous and dumb, not even particularly well orchestrated

Gone all in on the 'biggest mother of them all' approach, I see.

#controversy #mothermovie YOU DECIDE pic.twitter.com/gBSDrD4jnJ

— darren aronofsky (@DarrenAronofsky) September 22, 2017