darren aronofsky's mother!

lmao

from the guy who wrote a book about Showgirls being a masterpiece though

I believe he said "it doesn't suck."

suck what?

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/jennifer-lawrence-mother-movie-reviews-flop

After a summer when too many major studio releases felt like passive experiences, pieces of content meant to fill a release date on a calendar or bridge a gap between sequels, mother! vibrates with wild-eyed purpose. Its poor box office showing makes sense: This is a film that died so we can live.

oh cool no more Marvelverse movies! thx Darren!

I wonder how many critics who write these over the top indignant film reviews look back years later and think "yep, my reaction was completely appropriate". And then decades later if it becomes a sort of classic?

Did anyone ever catch up with the appalled critics of Psycho and Peeping Tom to see how they felt about their reaction decades later?
Not comparing Mother! to those films, I haven't seen it.

Oh, I've seen some grumpy contemporaneous reviews of Psycho, yes. Some of the bourgeois scribes thought Mr Hitchcock had debased himself.

RoboCop remake could have been his apex.

Hitchcock or Aronofsky.

Barry Norman seemed to maintain into the 00s that Shivers was the actual worst film he'd ever seen.

from the guy who wrote a book about Showgirls being a masterpiece though

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Showgirls is a masterpiece.

“I apologize,” he told one TIFF audience, “for what I’m about to do to you.”

fwiw: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ4dqMnWAAAcPry.jpg

i don't know who that is but he sounds like a dick

how could you possibly say that about someone that did coke with the Strokes!!!

That's some valuable oral history alright.

that is a sick burn of aronofsky even if it's also an accidental self-own

there's people to laugh at on both sides

have you seen the movie
even if you like it - and i will grant there are some really good things in it - you have to admit that last section is pure torture to watch, purpose disregarded
i don't see you how you could fault anyone who hated and/or was offended by this film

In some ways, this reminds me of the Lou Reed/Metallica collab Lulu: the nutty mashup, the gruesome metaphors, the critical reaction. "Sing it, James!" = Kristen Wiig cameo.

it's "come on james!" and god don't make me want to see this by comparing it to lulu

For worship someone who actively despises you.

lol

Darren Aronofsky dresses like he is the drama teacher on a Disney Channel sitcom. His name is "Mr Z" and he rolls his Rs for some reason pic.twitter.com/J28mSkw2SC

— Natalie Walker (@nwalks) September 19, 2017

As an Aranofnostic (liked Pi, Wrestler and Black Swan) I really enjoyed this. I didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety. The level of ire it has raised doesn't make sense to me.

didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety

same. that's why i didn't like the last third, though

see I liked the blackly absurd social anxiety, "hell-is-other-people" stuff. the movie fell down when it actually became HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE

yup. really hitting-you-over-the-head with a really non-clever analogy. also the violence was just gratuitous and dumb, not even particularly well orchestrated

Gone all in on the 'biggest mother of them all' approach, I see.

#controversy #mothermovie YOU DECIDE pic.twitter.com/gBSDrD4jnJ

— darren aronofsky (@DarrenAronofsky) September 22, 2017

this movie sounds not interesting in the least but it does remind me i should probably watch Antichrist someday

^ yeah just don't watch it on a full stomach

I think the thing that is most putting me off of this is how much the reviews and the discussion around it are reminding me of Antichrist (which I hated).

i have a friend who watched antichrist on a first date

...and a last date?

i have a friend who watched antichrist on a first date

Oh hell yeah, I assume they're married

For the first two-thirds or whatever, I thought this was an ugly-looking mishmash of better horror films, Rosemary's Baby and Night of the Living Dead most obviously; it held my interest at that level. The last third was preposterous: Cronenberg and Lynch at their most self-parodic, crossed with Ken Russell or somebody like that. I didn't much care for Get Out a few months ago, but after Baby Driver and this monstrosity, it suddenly seems moderately okay.

Michelle Pfeiffer and Ed Harris were good as the Castevets.

"better horror films"--I meant to say exponentially better, or infinitely better.

yeah what did you think of Get Out?

I was intrigued for a while, then I thought it became more and more a conventional--conventionally graphic--horror film. The context was interesting, but the actual experience of watching it became less and less so as it went along.

I think horror films and me may have had our day. It Follows and The Witch were at the opposite end of the spectrum--moody, arty, almost completely without gore--and I wasn't big on them, either.

this only fell off 56% at the US b.o. 2nd weekend, less than i wd've expected (tho i guess it didnt have far to fall)

the vvitch was the best of the last few years' big-deal US horror flicks imho

Otm

Clemenza u should watch The Love Witch

would also watch The Love VVitch

I don't know...I found Viva mind-numbing; I passed when it played here for a couple of weeks.

no idea what Viva is

The previous film by the director of the love witch iirc

ah wikipedia is a little squirrely, all I was turning up was some spanish movie about a drag queen

The Love Witch was fun but it needs an edit so bad