Oh, I've seen some grumpy contemporaneous reviews of Psycho, yes. Some of the bourgeois scribes thought Mr Hitchcock had debased himself.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
RoboCop remake could have been his apex.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
Hitchcock or Aronofsky.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
Barry Norman seemed to maintain into the 00s that Shivers was the actual worst film he'd ever seen.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
from the guy who wrote a book about Showgirls being a masterpiece though
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Showgirls is a masterpiece.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
“I apologize,” he told one TIFF audience, “for what I’m about to do to you.”
― Nhex, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
fwiw: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ4dqMnWAAAcPry.jpg
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
i don't know who that is but he sounds like a dick
― Nhex, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
how could you possibly say that about someone that did coke with the Strokes!!!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
That's some valuable oral history alright.
― jmm, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
that is a sick burn of aronofsky even if it's also an accidental self-own
there's people to laugh at on both sides
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
have you seen the movieeven if you like it - and i will grant there are some really good things in it - you have to admit that last section is pure torture to watch, purpose disregardedi don't see you how you could fault anyone who hated and/or was offended by this film
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
In some ways, this reminds me of the Lou Reed/Metallica collab Lulu: the nutty mashup, the gruesome metaphors, the critical reaction. "Sing it, James!" = Kristen Wiig cameo.
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
it's "come on james!" and god don't make me want to see this by comparing it to lulu
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
For worship someone who actively despises you.
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
lol
Darren Aronofsky dresses like he is the drama teacher on a Disney Channel sitcom. His name is "Mr Z" and he rolls his Rs for some reason pic.twitter.com/J28mSkw2SC— Natalie Walker (@nwalks) September 19, 2017
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
As an Aranofnostic (liked Pi, Wrestler and Black Swan) I really enjoyed this. I didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety. The level of ire it has raised doesn't make sense to me.
― chap, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
didn't really pick up on/care about the religious symbolism, for me it was most effective as a blackly absurdist, sometimes very funny depiction of social and relationship anxiety
same. that's why i didn't like the last third, though
― flopson, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
see I liked the blackly absurd social anxiety, "hell-is-other-people" stuff. the movie fell down when it actually became HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE
― Nhex, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
yup. really hitting-you-over-the-head with a really non-clever analogy. also the violence was just gratuitous and dumb, not even particularly well orchestrated
― flopson, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
Gone all in on the 'biggest mother of them all' approach, I see.
#controversy #mothermovie YOU DECIDE pic.twitter.com/gBSDrD4jnJ— darren aronofsky (@DarrenAronofsky) September 22, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
this movie sounds not interesting in the least but it does remind me i should probably watch Antichrist someday
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link
^ yeah just don't watch it on a full stomach
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
I think the thing that is most putting me off of this is how much the reviews and the discussion around it are reminding me of Antichrist (which I hated).
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link
i have a friend who watched antichrist on a first date
― flopson, Friday, 22 September 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
...and a last date?
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
Oh hell yeah, I assume they're married
― flappy bird, Saturday, 23 September 2017 03:07 (six years ago) link
For the first two-thirds or whatever, I thought this was an ugly-looking mishmash of better horror films, Rosemary's Baby and Night of the Living Dead most obviously; it held my interest at that level. The last third was preposterous: Cronenberg and Lynch at their most self-parodic, crossed with Ken Russell or somebody like that. I didn't much care for Get Out a few months ago, but after Baby Driver and this monstrosity, it suddenly seems moderately okay.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 05:21 (six years ago) link
Michelle Pfeiffer and Ed Harris were good as the Castevets.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 05:26 (six years ago) link
"better horror films"--I meant to say exponentially better, or infinitely better.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 05:47 (six years ago) link
yeah what did you think of Get Out?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:55 (six years ago) link
I was intrigued for a while, then I thought it became more and more a conventional--conventionally graphic--horror film. The context was interesting, but the actual experience of watching it became less and less so as it went along.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:04 (six years ago) link
I think horror films and me may have had our day. It Follows and The Witch were at the opposite end of the spectrum--moody, arty, almost completely without gore--and I wasn't big on them, either.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:17 (six years ago) link
this only fell off 56% at the US b.o. 2nd weekend, less than i wd've expected (tho i guess it didnt have far to fall)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link
the vvitch was the best of the last few years' big-deal US horror flicks imho
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
Otm
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
Clemenza u should watch The Love Witch
would also watch The Love VVitch
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
I don't know...I found Viva mind-numbing; I passed when it played here for a couple of weeks.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
no idea what Viva is
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
The previous film by the director of the love witch iirc
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
ah wikipedia is a little squirrely, all I was turning up was some spanish movie about a drag queen
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
The Love Witch was fun but it needs an edit so bad
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
does this movie work as an art movie at all? i just like interesting visuals and sound. if it had a tiny budget and no stars would people think it was so controversial or just another indie flick? i tried scanning this thread for descriptions of what the movie looked like but i couldn't find anything. you are all a.o. scott. kidding.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
well scott the cinematographer is DA's usual guy (who also has done a few Spike Lee films, eg Inside Man and Chi-Raq)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
imo:
there is some really great filmwork (the slow tracking shots that circle around JLaw, the use of wall color as a narrative device) and some really bad filmwork (the cartoony look and bad CGI of some of the last third)
my ambivalence towards the filmmaking makes me rate below other things I also liked this year, like Raw and Good Time
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah, my initial post was about how the movie is so compelling visually, sonically, and psychologically. worth seeing just for that imo. I just don't dig the allegory or what Aronofsky was trying to say. wouldn't have been any different if it were by some no-name director at an empty art house. also, lots of people I expected to totally hate it ended up loving it, the movie is so so polarizing, & I only hate it so much because the allegory is so dumb but visually & sonically it's pretty amazing. go see it!
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
i think Requiem for a Dream also has that really extreme LOVE/HATE thing for people.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
none of the CGI struck me as particularly bad tbh and I'm usually pretty attentive to effects
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
xp scott seward: yeah there's some amazing shots, tension, etc. A friend actually said to me that this basically is just a generic indie horror flick in a lot of ways, though I would say it's beyond that for the "good" parts. CGI was fine to me. It's the last section that gave me bloodcurdling viewer rage.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link