Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

That conga line musical queue is truly odd

a popular analysis (even in this thread if I recall?) was Lynch was offering an elaborate comment on his own work and response to it. Which... is boring. Much more exciting to think any similarities were the result of him pouring so much of himself on screen there couldn't help but be overlap

I don't think it's overlap so much as evolution, the next step. It has a lot of recurrent images and ideas from his other work, because it's all David Lynch, but this one does things differently and has new ideas too. There's a lot of stuff in The Return that isn't like anything he's done before, because he's on the other side of Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire now and he knows how to do a lot more things than he knew when he originally did Twin Peaks. Some of it is pretty obvious commentary -- it's not like he hasn't thought about these things -- but a lot of it is just him exploring.

i would have preferred that jeffries was portrayed a bit conventionally - i dunno, an empty armchair with a blur or as a silhouetted outline of interference or something. I hate the tea kettle thing tbh, i think it's stupid even if it's not a tea kettle.

The kettle seems appropriate because those scenes are so Mad Hatter/Cheshire Cat.

it's eraserheady so i like it

It’s a tin machine.

i made that joke upthread!

Apologies

no need. great minds.

I love that it's steam, the precursor to electricity.

why in the world would anyone hate the representation of Jeffries????

I'm sad that, as per the Lynch Pitchfork interview, Bowie felt so ashamed of his Louisiana accent that it had to be revoiced.

yeah, having him be a weird steam machine holed up in a room is way more interesting (and classically Lynch) than a ghostly silhouette in a chair or w/ever.

imagine being mad about steam machine jeffries

I wanted to punch that stupid thing right in the spout.

Get a handle

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Oops, posted enthusiastically before fully reading those panels: offensive choice of words there from our man Carl Barks, another reason to prefer Erika Fuchs's brilliant German translations

Dennis Lim is on the latest Film Comment podcast talking about twin peaks, haven't listened yet

I thought this conversation between Liz Ryerson and Joel Bocki was a really nuanced and wide-ranging early response to The Return as a whole, especially around issues of gender and trauma. The first hour focuses on Twin Peaks and Lynch's work in general, the second focuses on The Return:

https://archive.org/details/beyondthefilter18theworldoftwinpeaks_joelbocko

*Joel Bocko, that is

fuuuck I really should have thought of the editing gag they did on the discourse collective episode

have a lot of trouble listening to podcasts that are just two men expressing themselves poorly

or even three men

I still don't know what you're talking about

lol sorry neither do i, was talking about the discourse collective thing

Ah got it, haven't heard that one yet - Bocko (one of the four) is usually p eloquent

i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts and i'm like "the word you're looking for is (x)." bocko's great in video essay format, i have a tough time with him on podcasts (probably, again, my problem)

'Dougie & Me' on CBS w/ @Kyle_MacLachlan & @joshfadem pic.twitter.com/WExO9wC4VA

— Skeleton Realm (@SkeletonRealm) September 21, 2017

I don't remember seeing this pop up here:

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i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts

this is at least in part a byproduct of the fact that most people don't properly edit their podcasts and IT DRIVES ME INSANE (not that I am meticulous with every episode lol)

Belated props for The Lodgers on that score, Simon: always felt really well produced, tight and good sound.

Last ep of lodgers, in particular, was A++++++.

You all really went deep on the meaning of the finale, hitting on a lot of points that I had barely considered.

That beyond the filter podcast might be a little too rambling for you guys then but I thought it was great (otoh I stopped listening to the discourse collective one)

In other news: wtf is this horseshit

"Confront evil. Back it down. Put it in a corner and never despair. It's not superhuman; it's less than human." https://t.co/dxOwJy6Ipl

— Mark Frost (@mfrost11) September 21, 2017

Well coop as we know him was kinda retconned out of existence so...

i'm listening to the last lodgers episode and it's very good, great job simon

kate's mind is like a steep trap

I was pretty damn impressed by her analysis on this one.

I've already broke my post-finale comedown resolution to avoid weak stuff.

Must remember the comedown.

Co-sign on the last Lodgers being super super good

brad I'm going to quote you on that complete with typo

thx to you all - hoping to do one more episode but kate is really busy with that fancy school stuff

It's certainly the smartest thing about TP. Everything else is of based, divorced from artistic understanding.

That was probably meant to be (based) something about basic plot stuff?

So weird to see that I was apparently listening to the last Lodgers episode yesterday alongside everyone else. It truly was a thing of beauty. Y'all's general level of analysis is up there with the Wrapped in Plastic stuff I've read and the Little White Mask blog (which I've weirdly seen no one but me reference but which is pretty great). You've opened a number of investigative avenues I hadn't previously considered.

brad I'm going to quote you on that complete with typo

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 22, 2017 6:22 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally only just noticed the typo, wow

A steep trap is very difficult to escape from, perhaps even moreso than one made of steel.

Like an ant lion.

It's slippery in here

I don't agree with Trump on much, but I fully endorse his travel ban on Chad.

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