That conga line musical queue is truly odd
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 01:05 (seven years ago) link
a popular analysis (even in this thread if I recall?) was Lynch was offering an elaborate comment on his own work and response to it. Which... is boring. Much more exciting to think any similarities were the result of him pouring so much of himself on screen there couldn't help but be overlap
I don't think it's overlap so much as evolution, the next step. It has a lot of recurrent images and ideas from his other work, because it's all David Lynch, but this one does things differently and has new ideas too. There's a lot of stuff in The Return that isn't like anything he's done before, because he's on the other side of Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire now and he knows how to do a lot more things than he knew when he originally did Twin Peaks. Some of it is pretty obvious commentary -- it's not like he hasn't thought about these things -- but a lot of it is just him exploring.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:50 (seven years ago) link
i would have preferred that jeffries was portrayed a bit conventionally - i dunno, an empty armchair with a blur or as a silhouetted outline of interference or something. I hate the tea kettle thing tbh, i think it's stupid even if it's not a tea kettle.
― Kat Slater Slag meme (jed_), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
The kettle seems appropriate because those scenes are so Mad Hatter/Cheshire Cat.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:14 (seven years ago) link
it's eraserheady so i like it
― Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:20 (seven years ago) link
It’s a tin machine.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 05:37 (seven years ago) link
i made that joke upthread!
― Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 07:00 (seven years ago) link
Apologies
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 07:46 (seven years ago) link
no need. great minds.
― Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 08:54 (seven years ago) link
I love that it's steam, the precursor to electricity.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:15 (seven years ago) link
why in the world would anyone hate the representation of Jeffries????
― akm, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 12:32 (seven years ago) link
I'm sad that, as per the Lynch Pitchfork interview, Bowie felt so ashamed of his Louisiana accent that it had to be revoiced.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 12:47 (seven years ago) link
yeah, having him be a weird steam machine holed up in a room is way more interesting (and classically Lynch) than a ghostly silhouette in a chair or w/ever.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 12:50 (seven years ago) link
imagine being mad about steam machine jeffries
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:18 (seven years ago) link
I wanted to punch that stupid thing right in the spout.
― Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link
Get a handle
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:55 (seven years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KOyXahwBUf0/UrtkLrEg28I/AAAAAAAAFyU/Em4uL4oqfMc/s1600/22+page+20.jpg
― 🔱 Holger Jowday ^🌑^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
Oops, posted enthusiastically before fully reading those panels: offensive choice of words there from our man Carl Barks, another reason to prefer Erika Fuchs's brilliant German translations
― 🔱 Holger Jowday ^🌑^ (Dancing on the Pylons), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Dennis Lim is on the latest Film Comment podcast talking about twin peaks, haven't listened yet
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
I thought this conversation between Liz Ryerson and Joel Bocki was a really nuanced and wide-ranging early response to The Return as a whole, especially around issues of gender and trauma. The first hour focuses on Twin Peaks and Lynch's work in general, the second focuses on The Return:
https://archive.org/details/beyondthefilter18theworldoftwinpeaks_joelbocko
― one way street, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
*Joel Bocko, that is
― one way street, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
fuuuck I really should have thought of the editing gag they did on the discourse collective episode
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
have a lot of trouble listening to podcasts that are just two men expressing themselves poorly
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
or even three men
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I still don't know what you're talking about
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
lol sorry neither do i, was talking about the discourse collective thing
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Ah got it, haven't heard that one yet - Bocko (one of the four) is usually p eloquent
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts and i'm like "the word you're looking for is (x)." bocko's great in video essay format, i have a tough time with him on podcasts (probably, again, my problem)
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
'Dougie & Me' on CBS w/ @Kyle_MacLachlan & @joshfadem pic.twitter.com/WExO9wC4VA— Skeleton Realm (@SkeletonRealm) September 21, 2017
― na (NA), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
I don't remember seeing this pop up here:
https://i1.wp.com/68.media.tumblr.com/ca95b5cef0664b283dc14405135703a2/tumblr_ovk1xggTW11qaraieo1_1280.jpg
― Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts
this is at least in part a byproduct of the fact that most people don't properly edit their podcasts and IT DRIVES ME INSANE (not that I am meticulous with every episode lol)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
Belated props for The Lodgers on that score, Simon: always felt really well produced, tight and good sound.
― Alba, Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
Last ep of lodgers, in particular, was A++++++.
You all really went deep on the meaning of the finale, hitting on a lot of points that I had barely considered.
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
That beyond the filter podcast might be a little too rambling for you guys then but I thought it was great (otoh I stopped listening to the discourse collective one)
In other news: wtf is this horseshit
"Confront evil. Back it down. Put it in a corner and never despair. It's not superhuman; it's less than human." https://t.co/dxOwJy6Ipl— Mark Frost (@mfrost11) September 21, 2017
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Well coop as we know him was kinda retconned out of existence so...
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
i'm listening to the last lodgers episode and it's very good, great job simon
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
kate's mind is like a steep trap
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
I was pretty damn impressed by her analysis on this one.
― Moodles, Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
I've already broke my post-finale comedown resolution to avoid weak stuff.
Must remember the comedown.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
Co-sign on the last Lodgers being super super good
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
brad I'm going to quote you on that complete with typo
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
thx to you all - hoping to do one more episode but kate is really busy with that fancy school stuff
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
It's certainly the smartest thing about TP. Everything else is of based, divorced from artistic understanding.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
That was probably meant to be (based) something about basic plot stuff?
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:49 (six years ago) link
So weird to see that I was apparently listening to the last Lodgers episode yesterday alongside everyone else. It truly was a thing of beauty. Y'all's general level of analysis is up there with the Wrapped in Plastic stuff I've read and the Little White Mask blog (which I've weirdly seen no one but me reference but which is pretty great). You've opened a number of investigative avenues I hadn't previously considered.
― Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:49 (six years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 22, 2017 6:22 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
literally only just noticed the typo, wow
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
A steep trap is very difficult to escape from, perhaps even moreso than one made of steel.
― Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
Like an ant lion.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
It's slippery in here
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
I don't agree with Trump on much, but I fully endorse his travel ban on Chad.
https://25yearslatersite.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/twin-peaks-recap-episode-5-0006-1497301577-640x358.jpg
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link