always believe the woman (unless she's talking about Bill Clinton)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein
imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
xp that's fair enough, so I'll also just say that it was hard *at the time* to separate the signal from the noise re: Bill Clinton accusers given the poisonous atmosphere of political hit pieces against him -- drug trafficking, assassinations, and all that garbage. Bill Clinton probably did harass Jones and Willey. Broaddrick appears to have gone bonkers, so who knows with her.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
š¦[wow, iāve never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUSšøā Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017šø]š¦
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
Donna Karan checkin' in
"You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble."
"I don't think it's only Harvey Weinstein. I don't think we're only looking at him. I think we're looking at a world much deeper than that. Yes, I think he's being looked at right now as a symbol, not necessarily as him. I know his wife, I think they're wonderful people, Harvey has done some amazing things...."
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/10/donna_karan_harvey_weinste.php
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
/wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein/imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
yeah Karan stepped in that big time. Expect boycotts of her shit.
― akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
he's already been sacked, I'd be surprised if there are any more formal steps taken. either way, he's just one of scores.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
Yeah HW is definitely not the exception to the rule wrt Hollywood producers im guessing
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
What's Bryan Singer got on his docket lately?
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
we're getting to the point (or getting to yet another point) where people who put the blinders on when they get to a certain age or position are having to wake the fuck up and realize they're complicit in things
the entire "oh but X did Y in 1990!" argument is bullshit because yeah, people should have been better about things thing, and being complicit then or deeming something socially tolerable nearly thirty years ago doesn't mean rolling on with that in 2017 is still going to fly
the short version is that people have assuming such casting couch arrangements, even when it's rape and not tacit quid pro quo, are just the cost of doing business. and, frankly, no.
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
tbrr the idea that hollywood includes all this shit as a matter of course and it's lurid tabloid material has propped up Weinstein more than hurt him, if you go by the anecdotes about his people dropping leads to the press
Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.
ā Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:50 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm on the record eviscerating Woody Allen fwiw
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
If various celebrities and politicians want to claim they knew nothing about the sexual assault allegations, I guess that's fine, there's a lot coming out about that now that maybe wasn't fully vocalized in the past. But anyone that was pals with Weinstein or happily took his money at least knew that he was a horrible person. I knew this and I know next to nothing about the movie biz.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
From Terry Crews's Twitter -- he didn't thread these, but start here and scroll up:
This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME. (1/Cont.)— terrycrews (@terrycrews) October 10, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
kinda hard to work in that sphere while avoiding horrible people entirely. If you worked in nightclubs up through the '50s, you worked for gangsters, period.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
I have to imagine if you grab at Terry Crews like that, you are secretly hoping to be flattened.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
or expressing just how much power you perceive yourself to possess
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
^^^
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
tom cruise should have known better than to do that to terry crews. did he think he could get away with that because their names are pronounced the same?
― akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
I mean, that at least helps put the lie to the entire "if it was me I'd punch the guy or fight back" bullshit
the default human reaction for sexual harassment from someone you've met isn't some "oh shit, better fight back" reaction, especially if it's among a group of your peers and people with power
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
JFC no, it's notanyone who thinks that is living in a magical imaginary world
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
it's almost like the common denominator is power, which is primarily held in money
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
and men
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
yes
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
Rose McGowan is absolutely fierce on Twitter today. She's called out Affleck as a liar, claiming he absolutely knew about Weinstein, and she's started a petition calling for the entire TWC board to be dissolved.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
she's fantastic
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
Tarantino still hasn't said a word, has he.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
I am sure he has said many, many words but none publicly
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
he was talking about how he shivered when he heard the news and wanted to find out more about it
What a great job Andy Muschetti has done in IT. It made me shiver. What other interesting things does Argentina have?— Quentin Tarantino (@qtarantino) October 9, 2017
sorry i misread that
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
Amazing.
Weinstein's wife is splitting
http://people.com/movies/harvey-weinstein-wife-georgina-chapman-separating/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
Fired Weinsteins because they were irresponsible, and Harvey was an incorrigible bully. Had no idea he was capable of these horrible actions— Michael Eisner (@Michael_Eisner) October 10, 2017
I needed a laugh, thank you https://t.co/qXDWYXZmkU— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 10, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
Its interesting to read that Brad Pitt got up in Weinsteins face after he harrassed Gwynneth P, and said "touch her again and there'll be trouble" and it seems that worked. Why didnt more men do this?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
found this on rose mcgowan's twitter (thank you, i don't follow actors because they blab too much but i like her)
http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/damon-affleck-father-of-daughters-excuse-harvey-weinstein.html?utm_campaign=vulture&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1
zing!
Having a daughter shouldnāt be a requirement for internalizing the problems of working within a sexist industry. Your wives gave birth to a baby girl, not a moral compass.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
xp - trayce many of them need to have a daughter first
sadlol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
LL - god. Sad but true :(
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
hate to say it but Pitt was probably one of the few actors who could have done it and a lot of these women were alone in their fight and didn't feel like they had the backup, probably. Jolie decided to not work with him ever again, and looking at IMDb it appears as though Pitt himself worked on only three projects associated w/Weinstein and only on one where he was more than a cameo (Inglorious Basterds, which was likely a film where he wouldn't have had to deal w/Weinstein, since Tarantino has final cut.)
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Most of them, if they even knew, didn't have Pitt's juice. And frankly he could have done more. xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
I feel like another issue with Hollywood is that SO MANY people in it are motherfuckers who treat people like shit - in a sexual way or otherwise. People don't go out and denounce it because everyone is doing it.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
well we don't know what he tried to do or didn't do...we also don't know what Paltrow told him at the time, she may have said look let's just drop it, he won't mess with me again.
i have a friend who was recently the victim of unwanted sexual advances from an acquaintance/neighbor of ours (she considered it to have stopped short of anything criminal) and when i told her i was ready to cross the street and have a conversation about it, she asked me not to. we all simply cut him out of our lives and told everyone we knew to steer clear.
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
You're right, and it's folly to say "x/ally/whoever could have done more" on an individual level but it is galling, if not exactly surprising, that it took this long for the dam to break. As the piece I linked put it, this would not even have happened if HW still had the pull and power he used to.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
Why Farrow went to the New Yorker
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-harvey-weinstein-investigation_us_59dd2739e4b04fc4e1e96d08?7d5
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
'concerns related to the storyās sourcing' lol
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
jingleberries is also right, weinstein is probably one of the worst offenders but the industry is full of a lot of creeps and cheaters and abusers. this isn't specific to hollywood but it's so unregulated, there are so many people at high levels who can use their influence to get what they want to so many low level people who pretend to have influence to get what they want, or worse yet and more accurately both will TAKE what they want.
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
and nobody stops them and everyone is taking notes for how theyre going to fuck everyone over when its their turn in charge
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
The use of NDAs in all of this is scary. They seem like way too powerful a means for a rich abuser to keep individual victims from knowing about each other and building a critical mass of accusations.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:23 (six years ago) link
How enforceable are NDAs when they cover criminal activity, though?
― nickn, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link
I'm still flabbergasted that Trump can be recorded admitting to sexual assault, a dozen women can come forward to accuse him of it, and yet nothing happens - in fact worse than nothing happens, and the majority of white women actually vote for him. I guess Weinstein should run for president.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link