Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

LL you mean this one right

https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/rebecca-traister-on-the-post-weinstein-reckoning.html

yes

la lechera otm

imo it’s a shitty look to pile-on the “burn it all down” sentiment

if there is anywhere that “burn it all down” should be otm’d repeatedly it’s here in this thread!

if that’s cliched or impractical blah blah humans are the problem etc etc oh well go roll your eyes somewhere where i can’t see you

i get the chinstroking etc & i’m not saying dont do that but don’t just kneekjerk dismiss it like that, it makes you look like dicks

this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs

the traister article is extremely good until the last paragraph when it feels like she felt the need to let her foot off the necks of her enemies, or something. Sorry for the violent image but it feels apropos. The "optimism" of a few election results is hella 'neoliberal' in the current vogue sense of the term

The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.

The biggest problem with burning it all down is that the people with access to the resources that will allow you to start over usually use those resources to the see the fire coming and either abscond with as much of them as they can, making the "start over" part even harder than it already is, or insert themselves into the process of starting over so they can make sure the new system still benefits them.

I think there is a lot of romantic appeal to hitting the reset button but navigating the practicality of actually doing it is fraught with peril; I won't say that makes it not worth doing but it should be taken into consideration in your planning.

― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:07 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have no practical suggestions re: burning it all down, but i think its still important to recognize that we cant really just patch things up & have faith in the system once again (not arguing w/ you here djp just making a broader point)

The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.

― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:23 AM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ahh yes the old 'consume our way to good behavior' theory

VG OTM IMO

xpost Far from perfect, not all-encompassing, better than nothing.

free range fair trade organic entertainment that looks down upon exploited lower class entertainment thats just chasing a few bucks

respectability politics of pop songs

here we go: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

Allegedly an up-and-comer on the conservative side:

Wes Goodman - former top staffer for Jim Jordan and Heritage - resigns from Ohio state house over "inappropriate behavior" https://t.co/SjBgBN4Lmt

— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) November 15, 2017

VG <3

this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs i loled

<3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csu1xFjXYAEcZIM.jpg

apparently, she's performing that at her long-delayed NJ/BK shows?

a wise man once said "the world is a vampire"...

being shitty to women is the foundation of modern civilization
i hope we can burn it down but i would like to suggest controlled burns until we can get a better idea of how to proceed when the burning is complete

LL otm.

feel like calling out shit is a good strategy. if people in the future know there is no way they can get away w stuff the way they could for thousands of years, they will think twice about doing so.

adam can i just say you've been str8 fire itt

What does "burn it all down" mean in concrete terms? Boycotting Hollywood movies?

for me the important thing is to help bring about a society where these massive power and income differentials just don't happen in any industry

a wise man once said "the world is a vampire"...

Billy Corgan is the opposite of wise

here we go: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 15. november 2017 18:31 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is good. Clinton would in the best of all worlds have been Gary Hart'ed in 92, though.

it's possible we would have had Gore in 2000 in that scenario, which looks v attractive in retrospect. but these kind of hypotheticals aren't really helpful imo.

Wasn't Gore also accused of assault tho?

http://people.com/celebrity/al-gore-accused-of-sexual-assault/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-gore-cleared-former-vp-baffled-by-sex-assault-allegations/

One of the reasons the judge gave for dropping the charges was "Celebrity issues."

vegemite girl and la lechera otm

i was being hyperbolic of course but at the same time if you can’t see mel gibson’s holiday tentpole or xxxtentacion’s upper echelon festival bookings as capitulating to the “well gotta follow the money, i guess!” moral-compass abdication that led to the other situations described above happening in the first place idk what to say

like there’s incremental change and then there’s immediate public relations cleanup followed by the same old bullshit, and i’m worried that the future will bring more of the latter.

Yeah the Gibson thing is infuriating, also the double standard when it comes to rappers & sexual assault, why are Kodak Black and xxxtentacion still getting coverage

probably inadvertently appropriate casting that he's playing Mark Wahlberg's dad in that film tbh.

xposts:

The hypotheticals aren't about what would have happened in 2000 with Al Gore, but what signal it would have sent regarding treatment of women. Also, I just like that the article is honest and well researched, whereas for instance the atlantic piece disingenuously hid the timeline so that it wasn't clear who defended Clinton from what. Which was then used to blame women for defending Clinton for the Broaddrick allegation, which became public later.

It's just really powerful the way everything is distilled down to what is absolutely not in dispute, and then saying that's already enough for a resignation.

burn it all down imo

'burn it all down' is a sentiment, not a plan. but I'm ok with burning it all down, as long as there are still books to read in the new paradise found.

If we're burning it all down, can we use Weinstein as kindling?

Why doesn’t the electorate in New York or California have any say in this? Has anybody thought about that? Protect your fucking citizens and workers.

Systems to be burnt down in no particular order, for not preventing or stopping this cancer

1. Executive branch
2. Religion
3. Capitalism
4. The Press
5. unions
6. Courts
7. Legislative branch
8. Multinational hotel / hospitality rings
9. Studio cartels
10. Drug cartels
11. Capitalism again
12. Private healthcare
13. Every possible level and form of govt below the federal
14. Extradition treaty networks
15 etc

It’s OK your eyebrows might grow back one day

I’ll punch myself to sleep now.

There go our heroes

Breaking: @LeeannTweeden, the morning anchor of KABC radio, says Senator Al Franken kissed and groped her without her consent. https://t.co/yNoQhZVNFJ

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 16, 2017

"I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way"

Depressing. Its a damning photo, and while there's no visible contact, I think I'd like to hear context from someone else in the room.

I hate to mention it, but Tweeden is a conservative commentator, and Tweeden conferred with Roger Stone of all people before the story came out:

Roger Stone says Senator Al Franken's time in the barrel is about to come #sexscandal

— Stone Cold Truth (@StoneColdTruth) November 16, 2017

Ugh, did not know about the Stone connection.

Ties in with this story from last week about Breitbart's Coming Exploitation of the Believe Women Movement.

yeah... I want to be extremely careful about being That Guy but I am hopeful we'll hear more from other sources on this one

If Franken could put up a better "defense"...would he?

well he is a democrat

even if it's a right wing smear job he's fucked

yea Tweeden was one of the hosts of Red Eye for a while wasn't she? I hate to go there as well but there's a chance this has been in someone's pocket for a while

If it happened in 2006, imagine the impact if the pic would have surfaced in Franken's election campaign. Those 314 votes (and Senate majority...) seems even tighter.

would like to see an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress

^^ That's the thing. No need to mute Stone as much as having everyone go for broke.

I mean, Stone is the one who lined up the Bill Clinton women at the last Presidential debate.

an oppo research nuclear war break out in the Congress

I doubt it would confine itself to just ridding us of the 'bad' people, after which the good would triumph and peace would reign. Seems to me the result would be a humpty-dumpty situation, where Congress would altogether cease to function as an institution. For all time.