I really tried with that Paris Review piece but my god the word count
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
no.
but that's okay and here's why
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
New piece
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/john-lasseter-pixar-disney-whisper-network-1202620960/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
Separately, this is still looming. Ashley Feinberg's update:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vice-sex-harassment-shane-smith_us_5a1063b9e4b045cf4371cbe4
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link
xp eugh that Variety piece is so gross:
The company’s co-founder is known as a hugger.
check please!
A number of ex-employees described Lasseter as an overgrown boy, with a limited sense of boundaries.Some told Variety that he would make inappropriate comments about women, or touch them on their legs or backs. Some described receiving hugs that went on a few seconds too long.“There is a currency there — the currency is touch, and being touched by this person who is always in charge,” said another former Pixar employee. “It’s personal and intimate and probably not appropriate.”Another former employee said that after Pixar grew out of its Point Richmond office and moved to Emeryville in 2000, Lasseter’s behavior became more brazen. She said he would walk up to women in the office and kiss them on the lips.“I found it shocking,” she said. “That’s not a normal way of greeting a colleague.”
Some told Variety that he would make inappropriate comments about women, or touch them on their legs or backs. Some described receiving hugs that went on a few seconds too long.
“There is a currency there — the currency is touch, and being touched by this person who is always in charge,” said another former Pixar employee. “It’s personal and intimate and probably not appropriate.”
Another former employee said that after Pixar grew out of its Point Richmond office and moved to Emeryville in 2000, Lasseter’s behavior became more brazen. She said he would walk up to women in the office and kiss them on the lips.
“I found it shocking,” she said. “That’s not a normal way of greeting a colleague.”
😳
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:25 (six years ago) link
from that paris review piece
Hemingway’s girlfriend, the writer Martha Gellhorn, didn’t think the artist needed to be a monster; she thought the monster needed to make himself into an artist. “A man must be a very great genius to make up for being such a loathsome human being.” (Well, I guess she would know.) She’s saying if you’re a really awful person, you are driven to greatness in order to compensate the world for all the awful shit you are going to do to it. In a way, this is a feminist revision of all of art history; a history she turns with a single acid, brilliant line into a morality tale of compensation.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link
And a further Lasseter piece
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/disney-pixar-john-lasseter-leave-allegations
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 00:58 (six years ago) link
"Hemingway’s girlfriend, the writer Martha Gellhorn" is maybe not the correct way to describe Martha Gellhorn.
Key line from the Lasseter Variety article:
She said she never reported these issues because the systems were not in place to address the problem.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link
after we delete men, can we delete everyone left in HR?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link
i dvr charlie rose & my local pbs station this morning aired antique roadshow instead in that slot & tbh im reasonably just as fine watching this
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
there’s a lot of egregious we usage and overreliance on rhetorical questions in the beginning of that paris review piece. i want to finish it but man i hate polemics in the platform age
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
he’s saying if you’re a really awful person, you are driven to greatness in order to compensate the world for all the awful shit you are going to do to it.
classic mid 20th century post-Freud twaddle, as if creation weren't often a matter of "I want to write, I can write, let me make stuff up."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 03:36 (six years ago) link
what?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 06:42 (six years ago) link
i think her point is just, if you're a shithead, try to channel shithead energies into making something good for other ppl
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 06:43 (six years ago) link
shower the people you love with shit
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 07:20 (six years ago) link
I liked that article. I did think the writing at the beginning was a bit...extra, but it smoothed out as she made her point.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 09:47 (six years ago) link
yeah agreed. i had a similar convo w/ someone recently, the notion of art itself & success w/in creative milieu involves levels of selfishness and it creates lots of strange moral dilemmas...its unsurprising that many "great artists" are selfish to an extreme degree
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:07 (six years ago) link
― It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 11:01 (six years ago) link
Yeah I liked that piece on the whole. Seems like everybody criticising it didn't read the whole thing, which is understandable, but - maybe read the whole thing Eg "egregious we usage" at the beginning is there specifically so that she can call it out like two paragraphs later(Not that this exactly counters criticisms of overcooked rhetoric tbf haha)
― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
As someone whose comic sensibilities were crucially shaped by Woody Allen, I've tried to make it clear that I find the Soon-Yi relationship creepy at best, as is his persistent fetishization of teens, but based on the evidence I find it curious to use WA as the #1 "monster" artist.
(assuming everyone is agnostic on the Dyan Farrow accusation, as I think the current established facts force us to be... those of us who remember the McMartin daycare scandal anyway)
also re "ugh the Manhattan character is dating a (17-yo) high schooler," I'd like to see the author's list of what makes the Call Me By Your name 24/17 affair not disgusting, or equally disgusting.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
i’m trying to read the whole thing. there are a lot of other “whole thing”s out there that don’t barrage me with poorly edited writing for paragraphs on end.
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
even in the post editing age!
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
agree that piece is flat-out awful
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:39 (six years ago) link
xp ok it got better. still too many rhetorical questions though and as someone who’s often pushed back at male supremacy defining a whole other art form - particularly when it comes to grossly “transgressive” (ie woman hating) masculinity being way overpraised from elite types - and been taken way less seriously as a critic for doing so, i’m like “...sigh”
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
like you can probably draw a bright line from that one dude getting super defensive about MANHATTAN to “the avant-garde need not be moral” and similar self-defensive statements
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
I think this is because WA uses his standpoint as his raw materials for writing these movies.
Which is not the same as Polanski or Weinstein..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link
the heck with woody, this was the male role model for generations of men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ZKTw9FA_o
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
Nick Carter on blast now...
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
Yep
https://pitchfork.com/news/backstreet-boys-nick-carter-accused-of-rape/
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
well, if a girl doesn't immediately bite your dick off and call the cops it's consensual right? sheesh these ladies
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
these women clearly need someone to explain to them what "consensual" means, preferably the person they're accusing of raping them
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
i didn't read that whole paris review thing and i'm not saying that it is like this but i never ever have to read any variation on: will i ever be able to watch sleeper again???????????? kinda thing ever. as long as i live.
i don't watch his movies anymore. i don't want to know about him. he's gross. he was a hero of mine when i was a kid too but who cares. there are lots of movies to watch. and for woody fans out there look at it this way: in a hundred years if there are still people nobody will care what he did and everyone will delight in his antics again.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
he's gross.this is exactly what my mom taught me when she told me that woody allen is gross. i was probably in my early teens, interested in watching movies with romantic examples i didn't find repulsive, and she was like "not woody allen, he's gross" and i believed her and she was right!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
My partner always left the room when I had Louis CK on, like "ok, see you some other time when you're doing something that's not this"
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
Surprised Michael Fassbender hasn't came up in all this. For beating up his ex-girlfriend.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
hemingway could kill with a phone call. true story!
"Pfeiffer spent the rest of her life in Key West, with frequent visits to California, until her death on October 1, 1951 at age 56. Her death was attributed to an acute state of shock related to her son Gregory's arrest and a subsequent phone call from Ernest. Gregory, who had experienced gender identity issues for most of his life, had been arrested as a male caught entering a woman's restroom in a movie theater. Years later, after he had become a medical doctor, Gregory interpreted his mother's autopsy report as indicating that Pauline had died due to a pheochromocytoma tumor on one of her adrenal glands. His theory was that the phone call from Ernest had caused the tumor to secrete excessive adrenalin, and then stop, the resultant change in blood pressure causing her to go into the acute shock that caused her death."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:39 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Fla
Why??
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That’s not really the point of the Paris review piece, thankfully
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
Nick Carter was abused by Lou Perlman right
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
also it's weird that the paris review piece ran there when its editor has its own, uh, problems
― maura, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
where is the paris review piece? did someone link to it upthread? i can't find it w/ google
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2017/11/20/art-monstrous-men/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
Surprised Michael Fassbender hasn't came up in all this. For beating up his ex-girlfriend
Was just thinking about the sighs of relief Joss Wheadon had after the Weinstein story broke and people stopped discussing his 'feminism as a front for macking on actresses'.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
oh it's a "can we separate the art from the artist?" piece, pass
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
that paris review thing is just kinda bloggy. like from the old days. i do love that she uses the word "pettifoggery" because that's how the newspaper writer in my fave show Zoo gets busted and loses her job. she is writing an anonymous anti-corporate blog and her editor at the paper - a paper owned by the corporation the writer is blogging about - knows its her because she's the only person who ever uses that word.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
I don't think Whedon is really going to benefit from the Warvey Heinstein explosion. Especially not Fassbender.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
wait, i just noticed that PR thing IS a blog thing. so, you know, that would make sense.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thats really not what its about, either
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
although i guess its kind of glib about that point near the beginning
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
its editor has its own, uh, problems
Have any allegations been published?
― mick signals, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link