also i just got through my first tranche of vietnamese -- blimey what a lot of hard-to-distinguish diacritical marks
― mark s, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link
Practice is a good thing, except on those days when you want to learn some new stuff - so you can practice it later!- and keep running out of health and having to go back to the well and repractice earlier stuff.
wtf are you guys talking aboutHave you used this app? On an iPhone? In that case it assigned you a circle of five arcs of health which you lose when you submit a wrong answer on a new lesson, one of which will be automatically restored every four hours or so, otherwise you can regenerate by practicing old lessons or purchasing in store with lingots. No health means no new lessons can be studied.
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link
hmm i haven't used it in a couple of years, i don't remember that system. i finished my "tree" and then did a couple of bonuses lessons and that seemed to be all the content that was on offer.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 12:36 (six years ago) link
Do people itt generally type the answers in or speak into the mic?
I have been typing only, but it does feel like I am neglecting a crucial language skill. Don't want to disturb the bf with repetitive badly pronounced foreign sentences. Maybe I should creep into the bathroom to hiss them into my phone for 20 minutes every day
(also just a lot more comfortable with typing and with the accuracy of rating typing vs speech in general, tho it's hard to type diacritics and it's frustrating to be slowed down by them on the timed quizzes)
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
do the speaking i turned that part off on public transportation but otherwise your instincts are pretty right on imospeaking around your bf might be good practice too, for getting over jitters of embarrassment! which is often a stumbling block when actually using a language in practice
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
hmm i just used the word "practice" to mean two entirely opposite things
Probably would be good practice for getting over the embarrassment, but maybe not for not being really annoying to be around!
I know the embarrassment is v real tho, I had a German neighbour for a year or two while I was learning German and did not dare to wish him so much as a Guten Tag
where I am at: I did a bit of German on this thing a while ago to supplement in-person lessons, though I am a completist and started at the beginning and never got near my actual level before getting bored. Since then I have dabbled with Irish and Czech but not got past the first few lessons of either. Never tried a Slavic language before and found even basic Czech greetings dishearteningly hard to get straight in my head.
Lesson 1 Czech has (or had, a month ago) an audio phrase which is just blank audio and the comments suggest it'd been like that for some time, which is a bit off-putting. iirc if your Czech L1 audio quiz is silent the answer is something like "thank you, good evening". Should get back into it but I hope there isn't more duff audio later.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
It took me like three months of living in Vietnam before I realized ư and ủ were not the same sound
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
just read this Wired article about Duolingo (which was interesting, but stopped just as I thought it was warming up):http://www.wired.co.uk/article/duolingo-unique-view-on-learning-language
where I read that
It knows which users are least likely to progress (English speakers learning Turkish and Irish, it turns out)
so I may not be the only person to bail out of Irish after two evenings...
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
One problem with Turkish course is fuzzy logic is sometimes broken with respect to what it will accept as a correct answer:https://www.duolingo.com/comment/25182151/Lesson-ki-shows-as-not-correct
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
I actually had that exact problem. I was doing that lesson on the iPhone and it wouldn’t take any answer I would give. I tried without punctuation, with all the punctuation as giving in the furnishes correct answer and a few other combinations in between. I finally switched to the laptop to finish the lesson or maybe switched to another lesson or even language for the duration of my Health Shield. Also had the lesser problem today where it wouldn’t match the capital dotted i from the Turkish keyboard with the same letter in the answer and I had to switch to lower case i.
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:23 (six years ago) link
Houston, bir sorunumuz var.
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link
Also seems to sometimes require the word “bir” for “a” when one might not think it is needed
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
PRATİK YAP
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
Btw, already knew fluency percentage is pretty bogus and just received some kind of definitive gaze proof of this
― Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:55 (six years ago) link
in the real world i have a bizarre German language level that is full of fancy vocab with persistent entry level grammar failures. duo says i'm 65% fluent which is so bogus it's laughable. it's free! what do we expect? at level 23 the questions are the same as when i began.earlier, duo responded to feedback about androgogically useless or unnatural questions, now they've removed the option to do so.so much practical language that is simply missing.
― massaman gai, Thursday, 30 November 2017 07:28 (six years ago) link
A sentence that persistently shows up in the entry-level Korean, for both myself and others: 'yes, men are people.'
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 30 November 2017 07:43 (six years ago) link
#notallmen
― mark s, Thursday, 30 November 2017 10:16 (six years ago) link
Oes draig gyda ti?
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 November 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
Nac oes
HELLO DERE
― Anne Git Yorgun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 December 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
I did the french and spanish twice all the way through all powered up and I really had to use italki to progress further.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 December 2017 03:12 (six years ago) link
i am currently endlessly cycling in practice mode to keep up my streak but always too tired and/or busy to feel ready to progress at all
― mark s, Monday, 11 December 2017 09:05 (six years ago) link
I'm approaching 500 days and might finally give up at that point as I feel it stopped teaching me much quite some time ago. My only motivation now is maintaining my streak.
― brain (krakow), Monday, 11 December 2017 09:24 (six years ago) link
It definitely gave me a great base for learning a bit more deeply elsewhere though and I would always recommend it. Might try a new language instead to try and bring back the fun of it.
― brain (krakow), Monday, 11 December 2017 09:28 (six years ago) link
anybody try Rosetta Stone? it was the gold standard for awhile. also cost its weight in gold iirc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 December 2017 09:29 (six years ago) link
https://sites.google.com/site/englishatthetab/_/rsrc/1432922076196/home/esl-resources/duolingo/ESL_Duolingo%20owl.png
― mark s, Monday, 11 December 2017 09:46 (six years ago) link
Rosetta Stone for Vietnamese was ok, used it for a while. They didn't provide any explanation of concepts, in order to make it totally immersive, which was super frustrating for stuff that wasn't intuitive
― Vinnie, Monday, 11 December 2017 10:03 (six years ago) link
I cannot recommend italki enough if you actually want to be forced to speak aloud and figure out what you would likely talk about in another language. When I lived in Lyon, so many French people were like, "why do you know this word?" I kept saying L'INTERNET!
― Yerac, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
HI DERE
― Burru Men Meet Burryman ina Wicker Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
This cross-training/laddering definitely challenging and useful, not just a novelty stunt.
― Burru Men Meet Burryman ina Wicker Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
How's yr soft mutation, mark?
― Steely Rodin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
lol i "took a break" before xmas and have not yet got back on con ngựa as they say in vietnam
― mark s, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Just made up a bad bilingual joke and am feeling compelled to post it here.
― Steely Rodin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:12 (six years ago) link
Doesn’t quite work though, so never mind, I guess
― Steely Rodin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
Okay, it was something to do with someone offering Steve Martin chocolate covered ants in Paris and Steve raising his hands and saying “Fourmis”?
― Dr. Winston ‘Merritone’ Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
« Fourmis? »
Almanca dilinde artık %35 oranında akacılığa ulaştın!
― Dr. Winston ‘Merritone’ Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
I am augmenting my Duolingo practice of Swedish in two ways in 2018:
- signing up for MHz Choice, an Amazon Prime channel that offers tons of international TV shows with English subtitles for $7.99/month; they have tons of Swedish crime shows- reading Swedish crime novels with a dictionary close at hand; I've been able to find cheap paperbacks on eBay
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Cool. Maybe you should start standalone thread for that. But maybe not
― The Harmony Illustrated Encyclopedia of Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Anyone else still doing this? Also, what’s with the crowns?
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 April 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
I'm not doing it at present. My wife's been doing German though. I'll ask her about the crowns.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 6 April 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
Oh I see
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 April 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
Yep, still using it. Currently on a 590 day streak and have finished both English to Spanish and Spanish to English courses. It bores me, but I can't stop now!
Sí, todavía lo estoy usando. Actualmente tengo una racha de 590 días y he terminado el curso de inglés a español y tambien el curso de español a inglés. ¡Me aburre pero no puedo parar ahora!
― brain (krakow), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
so close!
"también"
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 6 April 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
Okay, I see the purpose of the crowns is to add more material, but with its implementation two useful features seem to go missing from the iPhone app:1) when simply reviewing, it doesn’t tell you anymore what skills you have improved2) When clicking on a skill it no longer gives you the list of weak words
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 April 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
Wow, randomly checking in German I see that one of these Crown levels has 30 lessons.
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 April 2018 00:03 (six years ago) link
Abs. Obs. 4, Level 3
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 April 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
Are these actually new questions or is this just a different way of counting the same old questions, I wonder
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 April 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
Perhaps this new format will inspire me to finish the last ten leaves of my Turkish tree
― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 April 2018 00:42 (six years ago) link