the latter, or so I choose to believe. I've never even seen an interior door lock that can't be unlocked by simply opening the knob* from the inside
* = DOORknob, you pervs
― here come the warm jorts (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 30 November 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
xxp both, also la lechera otm
― sleeve, Thursday, 30 November 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
Well the former would make the whole thing WAY more frightening.
― Evan, Thursday, 30 November 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
it's the same either way imo
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
..... why are people so confused about the way the fucking lock works
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
Being physically prevented from escaping is extra nightmare fuel, so I just wanted to clarify.
― Evan, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
Because "I need to not be disturbed" has legitimate business uses.
"I need someone who's in my office to not be able to get out" does not.
A business that allowed the first is explicable. A business that allowed the second is actively evil.
― here come the warm jorts (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
ya a door locking someone IN, somehow, is prob false imprisonment & nbc could feasibly have some liability imo as it seemed they knew abt these contraptions
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
if he needs to not be disturbed he can walk right over and lock the doorwhy are people going out of their way to defend a door lock button?!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
I get what Evan is saying but now IM confused because an electric deadbolt would be a clear fire code violation I believe
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
Sorry, who is confused or defending door lock buttons here?
La Lechera you said: "there is no excuse for matt lauer being able to lock people into his office from a secret button on his desk."
So I thought "holy shit he's locking them IN?!" and asked the question.
Isn't that all we're clarifying here?
― Evan, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:07 (six years ago) link
Of course he's locking them in.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
maybe you are not thinking about what it feels like to be locked in a room alone with a gross creep like matt lauer regardless of the mechanics of his stupid gross door lockit's not like the lock is the only thing going on here -- regardless of how the lock works, YES he is locking them in while he claims to be locking other people out
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
evan, you think the lock only works when there is one person in the room?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
sometimes it's better to google than ask
― brimstead, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
lock thread
― Simon H., Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
NBC is definitely liable for SOMETHING if they let him turn his office into a panic room with a deadbolt that can only be unlocked from his desk.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:10 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If that's what you meant- got it! But aside from that if the other person in the room can't physically leave unless they reach under the desk and push the button again themselves then (again) holy shit it's worth pointing that out.
― Frederik B, Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:11 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no? ...what???
― Evan, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
p sure i read on twitter or elsewhere this was not unique to his office, @ least some other nbc offices have the same mechanism. i think it has to be how ye mad puffin sez, keeping ppl from entering not from exiting
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, November 30, 2017
Ned Ragged with a button at his desk.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
*Raggett
Perhaps.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
the button-down mind of ned raggett
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 November 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
top button buttoned
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 30 November 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
Good DeRo piece at the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/why-has-r-kellys-career-thrived-despite-sexual-misconduct-allegations
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
i guess i've never even seen office doors that had locks, like usually if my bosses door is shut it means do not disturb or they are on a call or something but also we have a lot of glass walls, but yeah it seems weird to have locks on office doors IMO
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
i’d kill for an office with a lock, the quality of my sleep would improve markedly
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
oy, now horovitz.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/theater/israel-horovitz-sexual-misconduct.html
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
Derogatis piece is weird. Does it contain any new info or r is it a blandly philosophical piece abt not separating art from artist? If he’s not doing investigative journalism on the ppl still pushing/enabling r kelly whats the pt
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
Not a bad idea to remind people about it in this new climate
― Simon H., Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
This is that kind of annoying copycat journalism that takes the Weinstein headline subtext (Ronan farrow goes after the guy who enabled Woody Allen post abuse allegations!) and tries to bank off it without doing the legwork in a difft context, idk feels weirdly exploitative
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
Dero is definitely the one person alive who should be upbraided for not doing investigative journalism on R Kelly and ppl around him, good call
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
Sorry for not wanting to read the same article eight times
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
Fight the same series of wimps in the forect for an hour or two? I DON'T THINK SO. I think I'll BEAT THE GAME 3 times.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
'what's the point' of continuing to call out a celebrity who's gotten a free pass? it took years, even decades for some of these guys to go down, and it took a critical mass of attention on them, not new investigative journalism.
― iatee, Thursday, 30 November 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
i don't see the Russell Simmons news posted, so
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-russell-simmons-steps-down-from-1512055100-htmlstory.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
it's a bit upthread, busy morning. Simmons story was simmering for a while
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:55 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Also, as DeRogatis points out, the shit with Kelly is ongoing:
One of the women in the “cult” has said that she is “happy where I am at.” None of the others have spoken publicly, but the parents continue to contact me regularly, asking why, given the current public conversation, Kelly’s history, and what they call his ongoing abuse, the media isn’t focussing more on him.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
the reason the media isn't focusing on him is because he went to trial and was found innocent. he is, in many people's minds, "old news". and his fans don't care.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
just dropping by to say La Lechera otm re door locks& who cares - and LL’s student is otm abt surveillance in supervisor offices. I still havent watched that Frontline doc, I keep meaning to!
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
LL otm about how it is like being locked in regardless of how the door works. But still, we should definitely care if executives are physically locking people inside their office. That's all I was saying earlier.
― Evan, Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
xpost Kelly hasn't gone to trial for all the cult-ish current activity that has been laid out about him this year.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
true, all of which is gross and creepy and wrong but also not illegal and between (apparently) consenting adults. and it's of a kind with previous accusations - ie, stemming from general sexually predatory behavior - so I'm sure it just seems like "more of the same" to those that are eager to give him the benefit of the doubt a la Dave Chappelle.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:09 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
literally no one cares, and everyone knows! People have resolved to make their peace w/ how they view his old work or they haven't but it's pretty much widely understood who R Kelly is! No one needs to know. there are other people in the music industry who could be pointed to, artists who are new and relevant today. why not point to that?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
I'm not gonna begrudge DeRo his moral crusade
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:55 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
how has he gotten a 'free pass'? the music industry protects him, but they're the only ones--the 'harvey weinsteins' in this case, who derogatis is not chasing down. r kelly's crimes are common knowledge.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
as an artist hes at a nadir of cultural relevance
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
i mean, whatever, i guess he did another good deed fixating on r kelly again so we can all share it & say 'good piece, otm'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
as someone mentioned on another thread the industry support for xxxtacian and kodak black are pretty disturbing
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
xps
artists who are new and relevant today
I'm pretty sure that being sexually abused or predated upon is always relevant to the victims. The only added value of outing a respected public figure is that it pierces the bubble of respectability that has protected the perpetrator and put the victim at a greater relative disadvantage. The 'relevance' of the perpetrator within his field has no bearing at all, imo, except that it titillates the public's interest -- at the same level as supermarket tabloids touting "Jennifer Anniston's Secret Sorrow" or the breakup of Bennifer.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link