US Politics November 2017

it does look like a bloodbath is possible

jeez i fuckin hope so

dem leadership is utterly depressing imo

Dem leadership is doing a p remarkable job under the circumstances imo, the caucus has held together

is this tax bill passing going to be good or bad for Republicans come 2018? I mean the bill is massively unpopular but how the hell could the GOP rally their base having accomplished nothing despite total control?

good for their base, but everyone else hates it and will likely be energized at the polls

Dem leadership is doing a p remarkable job under the circumstances imo, the caucus has held together

mark cuban

BREAKING: Texas Republican Rep. Joe Barton says he will not seek re-election after nude photo of him was posted on social media.

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 30, 2017

thank fucking god. i HATE joe barton

yesterday they were running a story about how some other sext buddy (or unwilling sextee?) of his, from when he was married, popped up and insisted that he resign

Falconer: Stop taking naked pictures of yourself dipshit!
Falcon: WHAT?

p erudite zing, ulysses

zings fall apart

that michigan AG ad is absolutely amazing

I suppose the reason twitter won't ban is because of this dumb 'ignore' type stuff.

Yeah, as mentioned above, wasn’t some twitter exec overheard talking about how the guy on there alone is worth like $2billion In market cap?

It’s a really choice depiction of Silicon Valley in action, isnt it? As long as your usage numbers look good enough to your VC to just keep getting funding, nevermind the amount of actual users. I wouldn’t mind the extreme grift except that enough media people are intoxicated with shiny new cool tech/money/power, so the shared ideological myths bleed into other parts of the culture(like say political leaders). Cult of Success & all that

What would happen if (when?) he tweets a racial slur?

nothing

nothing

he just posted a snuff video and nothing happened

he could post a video of him beheading a baby and nothing would happen

can we talk about how shitty john conyers' lawyer's statements have been? so bad in fact that its whats motivated pelosi to show him the fucking door?

Yeah, as mentioned above, wasn’t some twitter exec overheard talking about how the guy on there alone is worth like $2billion In market cap?

Maybe but half of the conversation on the twitter thread is how its fucked. I don't remember reading that it has ever made a profit.

I've already had lunch, so here's an image for y'all to ponder during yours:

The bucket containing Trump's brain sits on a modified t-shirt cannon. It's pushed on stage, then starts shooting turds into the gleeful MAGA crowd.

— Mat Johnson (@mat_johnson) November 30, 2017

Maybe Trump could nationalise it in his 2nd term. xp

surprised he hasn’t started forwarding racist email chains to the entire country yet. I guess there’s always 2018

he would definitely be doing this all day long if he had / knew how to use email

Hmmmm. Republicans think people will come around to their tax plan...

In pushing so hard, Republicans are betting they can sell this plan to the skeptical public once the legislation is signed into law by President Trump and workers see a boost in take-home pay. They are not dismissive of the polling, but they believe they can make the legislation popular enough next year to save their congressional majorities in the midterm elections. ...Republicans can take some solace in that groundswell of ACA support, showing how the public can warm up to previously unpopular laws. The question for Republicans is whether, if they pass their tax plan, they can convince the public that it was a good thing to do in time for next year’s elections...Ryan is adamant that, once the bill is signed into law, voters will like what they see.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/despite-skeptical-public-gop-pushing-ahead-on-tax-cut-plan/2017/11/25/d81ddd7c-d145-11e7-81bc-c55a220c8cbe_story.html?utm_term=.b0983e8236ae

Why would an empty bucket affect the functionality of a t-shirt cannon?

xps

workers see a boost in take-home pay

and workers see a boost in take-home pay.

by all accounts (except GOP's obv).... this won't actually happen for most people

lol bizarro otm

Republicans can take some solace in that groundswell of ACA support, showing how the public can warm up to previously unpopular laws.

lol except that the ACA provides something and this tax bill is taking away something

Hmmmm. Republicans think people will come around to their tax plan...

In pushing so hard, Republicans are betting they can sell this plan to the skeptical public once the legislation is signed into law by President Trump and workers see a boost in take-home pay. They are not dismissive of the polling, but they believe they can make the legislation popular enough next year to save their congressional majorities in the midterm elections. ...Republicans can take some solace in that groundswell of ACA support, showing how the public can warm up to previously unpopular laws. The question for Republicans is whether, if they pass their tax plan, they can convince the public that it was a good thing to do in time for next year’s elections...Ryan is adamant that, once the bill is signed into law, voters will like what they see.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/despite-skeptical-public-gop-pushing-ahead-on-tax-cut-plan/2017/11/25/d81ddd7c-d145-11e7-81bc-c55a220c8cbe_story.html?utm_term=.b0983e8236ae

― curmudgeon, Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:59 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody can go back as for as 2004 to see this shit never happened and all the corporations did was stock buybacks and increase dividends for shareholders

yeah wasn’t there a story last week about some cabinet member asking a room full of ceos how many of them would be reinvesting their tax breaks to create jobs and was answered by the sound of quietly shuffling feet and a couple of muffled coughs

Just had breakfast with a few business owners. They both said if tax bill passes they will hire 20-30 new people as soon as the new year starts

Let's get this thing passed, Senate!

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) November 30, 2017

wow that’s like 90 new jobs, my skepticism has evaporated

Lol we are already essentially at full employment

nowhere to go but down

so, this Tillerson exit strategy was hatched by ... Kelly? I thought Kelly and Tillerson and Mattis had a "suicide pact" lol

clearly more of a murder-suicide deal

First, you pass the law, so it is a done deal. Then you sell it to the public by claiming that it will bring them amazing future benefits. Because the future cannot be inspected to verify or falsify the claims, the media will dutifully report your claims, since these are the only reportable facts in sight. People will take sides on the veracity of the claims, according to their tribal identity.

By the time the future arrives and the claims can be verified or falsified, not only will the public be accustomed to the law, but the falsity of claims made years earlier in support of what is now a settled matter will not be considered news and will not be discussed in the media.

As a basic strategy it sure seems like it could work.

Gotta try this thing of referring to "a few" of something and then immediately clarifying that I mean just two in the next sentence.

Just like with every recent war or tax cut, it's not like the GOP are going to have to clean it up. They screw up get out of power, then the Democrats cut the ugly no win legislation to duct tape a fix and then get blamed for causing the problem in the first place and two years later the GOP are back in power.

this pattern is woefully well established

last Dem fix for the war effort was a duct taped roll of $700 billion gifted to hater in chief

huh, that's odd

In the latest POLITICO/Morning Consult tracking poll out this week, just 36 percent of voters overall said they support the GOP plan. Among Republican voters, support dropped to 59 percent from 66 percent, suggesting Democrats are having some success with their attacks that the bill is strongly tilted to corporations and the wealthy.

(the drop in GOP support, that is)

it will make no difference

I don't think so either, it's just weird

Their plan is that everyone gets a taxcut in the first year, and then everything except tax cuts for the richest is phased out. So in 2018, people get money, get excited and vote for GOP in midterms, then after that they're screwed.

Phases out in 2026 right?

the stuff for individuals phases out; corporate changes are permanent

this thread makes me look forward to dying