I don't know who this Geist person is but surely the puffy-faced sociopath from breaking bad is Jesse Plemons/TodDid I solve the thread
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Friday, 1 December 2017 07:12 (six years ago) link
(I mean that describes many of the characters from that show)
ohh true he does look like him
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 December 2017 08:46 (six years ago) link
since you multitudes of dudes can count on one hand the number of women participating in this thread currently, it would be good if you were occasionally mindful of who’s doing all the talking and just, idk, ask a question or reframe the conversation.
I don't really participate in this thread, but I read it, so I would like to know who the woman participating are. I know some of you, but some names I'm not sure. LL, VG, Trayce, In Orbit, Horseshoe, who else?
― Jeff, Friday, 1 December 2017 11:53 (six years ago) link
*cough*
― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 1 December 2017 11:57 (six years ago) link
It does feel like something new is happening, like for years there was talk of “oh Terry Richardson is horrible” but the fashion business’s MO seemed to be “never acknowledge it” - I am a little curious about whether there was pressure to not publish any answer to a question about him, or whether the fashion press is sufficiently a courtier industry that it was never asked.
Or maybe it was reported and didn’t matter - the other matter that struck me was Eddie Berganza, an editor in the DC Superman office, who had semi-blind items and a silent demotion for sexual assault five years ago, and was actually named last year and nothing happened, and now there’s a Buzzfeed article and DC are shocked, shocked and now he’s finally gone.
Which is to say that I understand the tendency to go “oh this will revert to the mean”, and it’s the hope that kills you etc etc but dudes saying that nothing will change should maybe be aware how that looks when things are already changing.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 1 December 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
Also as a result I can’t blame DeRogatis for thinking “okay the New Yorker is a pretty big deal, maybe one more fucking Kelly article will make a difference”, but I’m also not surprised if it’s one more fucking Kelly article.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 1 December 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
Especially if it's in the print issue, having the story in the New Yorker will reach a whole new audience.
And fair enough to say legally this is all consenting adults, but if one of the parents was a movie director or politician, etc...
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 1 December 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
I assume this has become a general thread for related stories? Add Jays broadcaster Gregg Zaun to the list.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/gregg-zaun-rogers-sportsnet-fired-1.4427565
― clemenza, Friday, 1 December 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/3895454a10004f258ed7e18f25c74a26?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=APCentralRegion
CHICAGO (AP) — Details of alleged sexual assaults by Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein, comedian Bill Cosby and other famous figures are now widely known in part because several accusers did something they promised in writing never to do: They talked publicly about their allegations.When those women spoke out, they broke nondisclosure agreements — contractual pledges not to discuss what happened that are common features of financial settlements. In doing so, they helped start a national discussion about sexual misconduct and showed that the agreements do not necessarily offer the same ironclad protection that for decades has shielded the rich and powerful.A look at how the agreements work and what can happen when accusers go public anyway:
When those women spoke out, they broke nondisclosure agreements — contractual pledges not to discuss what happened that are common features of financial settlements. In doing so, they helped start a national discussion about sexual misconduct and showed that the agreements do not necessarily offer the same ironclad protection that for decades has shielded the rich and powerful.
A look at how the agreements work and what can happen when accusers go public anyway:
― j., Friday, 1 December 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
Seeing more rumblings that the next big stories will be Broadway-focused, thus
I have a feeling the world of Broadway is going to be rocked to its foundations. We'd better wear our seatbelts for the next few days.— Lea Salonga (@MsLeaSalonga) December 1, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
hmm
― omar little, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
broadway is just a less lucrative and powerful version of Hollywood, so it makes sense that it would share many of the same dynamics
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
if Lin Manuel Miranda gets ruined I'll consider that a bonus
― Οὖτις, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
This appears to be the first story as such
http://www.playbill.com/article/sexual-harassment-allegations-shake-broadway-casting-company-telsey-co
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
supposedly "just the tip of the iceberg" acc to that thread
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
Speculating or wishing people to be outed or caught without any inside information or special understanding = suuuuuuuuuuuper gross but ymmv
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
^^^^ how i feel about most of these conversations
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
Separately, sounds like someone heard from a lawyer or two.
27 years ago I wrote a tawdry book depicting consensual events in 1973-45 years ago-I’ve deeply regretted its distasteful & disrespectful tone & have refrained from speaking about it-I’m embarrassed & profoundly sorry to those mentioned-I have & again apologize to anyone offended— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 1, 2017
Although I recall the time @BetteMidler has alluded to much differently than she, that does not change the fact that she has a right to speak out & demand an apology from me, for in the very least, publically embarrassing her all those years ago. Bette, I apologize.— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 1, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
"While I recall events much differently..." is the new hot phrase heading into 2018.
― omar little, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
It's kinda trivial in the greater scheme of things, but I'm still waiting to see an apology that's just, "I fucked up, I'm sorry."
― Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
supposedly "just the tip of the iceberg"
Hey now, careful with the anti-Semitism itt
― here come the warm jorts (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, December 1, 2017 12:22 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh fuck off
― .oO (silby), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
Speculating that this weekend might be NYCers' last chance to see a few different Bway musicals before they grind to a halt after Monday.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
^ he knows whereof he speaks, folks.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
extremely curious what folks think of this piece by laura kipnis, who i have issues w/ (including some glaring ones in this piece cf the notion of women as the 'last' colonized people which is a bizarre variation on the old 'woman is the nword of the world' chestnut) but who seems to at the very least have thought pretty hard about this...idk i suspect part of her brand is being contrarian & suspect lots of guys will share this, but also conventional wisdom is bad so at any rate before i say any more, i'm curious what people think:http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/12/21/kick-against-the-pricks/
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
i havent even finished reading it but its bringing up some interesting observations for sure & yikes did it just go to a dark place
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
good piece imo. The paragraph about Dinnerstein is a little o_0 but I don't generally go in for that level of Freudian discourse as applied to broad social patterns.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 1 December 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
She touches on something that has been bugging me about a lot of this story but I wasnt sure how to word it without sounding weird:
bout those chopped-down potentates and lords: many of them, one couldn’t help but notice, were not the most attractive specimens on the block: bulbous, jowly men; fat men who told women they needed to lose weight; ugly men drawn to industries organized around female appearance. Men with weird hair. Is it wrong of me to bring this up?
These guys have everything, but they are still gross and middle aged and fat so with power comes the ability to just take it anyway, take what they believe they are owed.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 1 December 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
i feel like theres some questionable glossing over going on in some of this but maybe some also worthwhile points? i know shes seen as fairly controversial (or arguably an apologist) but those are the least-interesting aspects of this imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
oh god bari weiss linked it i regret everything
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 2 December 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/01/bohemian-rhapsody-production-halted-bryan-singer/
― piscesx, Saturday, 2 December 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
I thought i'd read that film was done shooting.
anyway nice of EW to only refer to Freddie Mercury's "health struggles" on World AIDS Day.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 December 2017 02:44 (six years ago) link
OK, I'm kinda taken aback at this one
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/writer-radio-host-john-hockenberry-harassed-co-workers-article-1.3671639
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 December 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
So the "Broadway" revelation is about Ad-Rock's dad?
― vampire soft rock: you're so vein (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 2 December 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
Nah, that went around again a couple of days ago -- all indications are it's something more.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 December 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
One of the Cats surely
― President Keyes, Saturday, 2 December 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Israel Horovitz has only had one or two plays on B'way ever
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 December 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
My guess is that it will be 3-5 names that few outside Bway would know, but everyone involved w/ Bway will know very well. And to the sadness of many ILXors, probably not LMM.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Saturday, 2 December 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
I dont think LMM is even on Broadway anymore
― President Keyes, Saturday, 2 December 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/legendary-opera-conductor-molested-teen-for-years-police-report/amp/
― maura, Saturday, 2 December 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
i liked that kipnis piece. i strive to be as electric in my writing as she is
― maura, Saturday, 2 December 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
re: Maura's link, that was the most open of open secrets; it was the first piece of gossip I heard passed around when he became artistic director of the BSO in 2004.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 22:47 (six years ago) link
+ maura to list of women itt
i think that brings us to 6!
what did they change the name of Prairie Home Companion to?
i thought the kipnis piece was probably good but i didn't get most of her references :-/
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 3 December 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
"Town Hall" apparentlyeven for Shakey the LMM comment....yeesh
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 December 2017 01:12 (six years ago) link
prairie home switched to chris thile quite some time agohttp://www.startribune.com/chris-thile-addresses-scandal-around-his-prairie-predecessor/461547363/
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 3 December 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link
tough spot for him but that seems pretty, and i don't usually use this word, weaksauce
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 December 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
it would be extremely minnesotan not to talk about what happened, tho
― j., Sunday, 3 December 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link
Yeah I remember the James Levine rumors from decades past
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
On the death of an abuser of teenage boys which was an open secret in the Minneapolis suburb I’m from, a few men tried to say something about being his victims on our town page. The wrath of the Barbs and Cathys who were admins/self-appointed trauma police - “how dare you, HIS FAMILY might read this!” - was absolutely toxic, and they deleted the topic.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 3 December 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link